Son being so aggressive, any advice?

Hearing voices is actually more common in humans generally than people expect and isn’t always considered pathological. However hearing voices that are disturbing and that encourage you to harm yourself or others is definitely concerning and is not a typical autism thing.

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I will also say if CAHMS are slow in the mean time if you can find another service you'd be happy to take a look at the situation and assess your son's mental state that are happy to accept a right to choose referal from your GP perhaps you can ask the GP to gte the ball rolling with another service and then if they pick up before CAHMS you can get your son seen sooner, and if not then let CAHMS eventually pick it up. The reason I mention this is that CAHMS actually have a terrible track record when it comes to autistic kids https://emergentdivergence.com/2023/07/28/autistic-parenting-supporting-our-autistic-childrens-mental-health-when-services-wont/

https://emergentdivergence.com/2023/05/29/creating-autistic-suffering-camhs-kills-kids/
I personally recomend psicon or psychiatry UK as they claim to have a much shorter wait list.

I suggest you call NHS 111 and say he is self-harming, has suicidal ideas and is hearing voices. Say he is threatening to kill his sister. Explain you have been waiting a year for a routine CAMHS appointment for ASD but you are seriously worried that he will harm himself or his family now and can't wait. Mention the family history - I know it is difficult but it is part of the risk assessment.

I am afraid it will not be an easy conversation, but you need to absolutely clear about what is going on.

This website should help you to locate your local Mental Health Help Line: www.nhs.uk/.../find-an-urgent-mental-health-helpline

You can also contact Young Mind parent helpline 0808 802 5544, Monday - Friday 9:30am - 4:00pm.

A doctor would be amazing! If someone would see my son. The GP refers to CAMHS, we go again ' I will chase CAMHS' this is our 4th time in 3 months. As well as chasing through the IFD. We get no where.

I like to hear different opinions of what others have been through as any information helps. 

He has a happy home. 

He has his swim club, has a loved hot dinner every night. Sunday pancakes 

Trips abroad / camping which get him in his happier place. 

I do hope we get a doctor soon

Yes it has been. 

We still aren't getting help. 

It's written in black and white in his ASD assessment. 

I just wanted opinions on other options without stating her diagnosis bless her. 

Thank you x

My son doesn’t hear voices.

I was giving an example of what you could say to A+E regarding your son.  

Sorry I wasn’t a bit clearer with that. 

Maybe the diagnosis that your husbands aunt has should be highlighted to the professionals in your sons life. 

So is the voices for you son due to PDA? 

I ask this as 25 years ago my husbands auntie was diagnosed with severe mental health conditions, I don't really want to name it as I don't was any assumption that my son has this. 

But she unfortunately stabbed someone when she was 25 and then committed suicide. 

These things aren't spoken about as his family are very devastated. Most of the family don't know the story. 

I just have this at the back of my mind as well. 

Yes I didn't think to call an ambulance. Good advice xx

No wonder you feel lost, it sounds just awful for you all.

I understand A+E is not autistic friendly but I would say my son has tried to kill himself and is hearing voices and the A+E waiting room is not the right environment to meet his needs.

Im scared for his & other’s safety if we were to wait in the waiting room. We need a room that is quiet to keep everyone safe. 

If this isn’t something you feel you could do I would call an ambulance. It’s an emergency situation. 

Thank you! Any information is helpful as I just feel quite lost. 

We haven't been to A and E though I nearly did this time. But equally I know how overrun A and E is and don't know if I can sit there for hours with both children. 

My son would be bouncing off the walls.

We have seen an OT who didn't mention PDA but I will email and ask about this. 

I have had a good look and everything is worth exploring to help my boy. 

Thank you for your help x

Ian, I don't have a direct number to CAMHS. 

I have been to the GP 4 separate times with examples of self harm and brain voices. 

Every time they 'chase up CAMHS' we get no where. 

Is brain voices usual is ASD? 

I know we have a conscience. However he speaks of 3 different voices, when one talks to him 'the others sleep' 

Thank you 

Hey Autumn_trees. Did you get my message. I'm new to the sight and I dont know if I messaged correctly x

It's so hard! 

I'm so sorry you are also going through difficulties. 

And the waiting is too long. 

It's so lonely when you ask for help. But there's nothing there. 

Happy to also chat privately. 

However I'm quite new to this sight and I dont think I have figured it out yet xxx

Hi,

I came here to look for advice about exactly the same thing. I actually wondered if I had already written it and forgot!

My son is 6 with ASD. His behaviour has been so difficult to manage and I feel like I'm failing massively. He's hitting his 3 yr old brother a lot and he attacked the dog with a stick yesterday. I just don't know what to do. 

So no advice, but I feel your pain and if you want to chat privately to support each other let me know.

xxx

Hi,

I have come here because I am going through exactly the same thing with my son (6). I could have written a lot of this myself. He's hurting is 3 year old brother and I worry about leaving them alone. He attacked the dog yesterday with a stick. I worry that if I can't get things under control now it will get worse with age! With the school holidays its been so hard to get help!! I don't know what to do to support him or who to turn to as waiting lists for everything are so long!

So no advice, but I feel your pain and if you want to chat privately let me know!

xxx

The reference to " bad brain voice " worries me.  I suggest you contact CAMHS and ask for an emergency assessment rather than wait for a routine appointment.  Maybe call NHS 111 and talk to one of their clinicians for advice.

It's ironic that sexuality in men is viewed as dangerous and threatening by so many. I vaguely recall a study where they looked at testosterone, mood and behaviour in male football fans. Team looses, mood goes down, testosterone goes down, tendency to violence increases. Team wins mood goes up, testosterone goes up, tendency to sexual activity increases. Really society should be far more afraid of depressed men than horny men.

Pointing out at this junction of course that depression is a mental illness and it's wrong to stigmatise people for it even if it does predispose them to violence.

But thats by the side. It might not be simple depression. Lot's of things might fit. He's a bit young for PTSD but even that would fit. A doctor is sounding more and more like a good idea.

i agree with this.... anger is often depression in males... and not caring for their own health or harm to themselves is a depressive thing, in males it can make us go all out and not care. so he could be depressed.... but ye chronic depression it either could be alone or it could be accompanying another health issue. either way i agree its a difficult thing to solve then.

its more if they hit someone its a open invitation for others to do the same to them. so if they dont want to invite others to hit them they shouldnt hit others... i think thats the way it works maybe.

but prison population has steadily rose and goes higher and higher with each generation

wait, does that mean its legal in scotland??

i thought scotland was supposed to be more progressive?
im honestly surprised at that...