"I'm on the bus. I'll see you in five minutes."

            I was talking to a young woman at work this week (she already thought I was odd because I don't have a freezer, so you can imagine the reaction when I told her I don't have a TV or a mobile phone).  We were talking about conspiracies.

            "What if," I said, "the government, or even just your employer, said to you that they wanted you to wear one of those electronic devices, so that they always knew where you were and what you were most likely up to?  But, if you chose to - and for a small reduction in salary, or increase in taxation - you could opt out of wearing it?  What would you do?"

            "I'd opt out, of course.  It's a gross invasion of privacy."

            Yes.  Good point.  But...

            "What if I told you that you were holding such a device in your hand right now?"

            She looked at her phone.  She does that a lot.  She was actually looking at it whilst I was talking to her, but she's NT, so she's able to divide her attention like that.

           "Not only can it tell people precisely where you are," I went on, "but it can tell them all the details of your personal contacts, your private messages, your internet usage history, the people you call and text, your banking and credit card details, your shopping habits, where you live, what you own, your hobbies, the places you like to go, what you like to eat and drink, how many pets you have, what your boyfriend's doing, and who he's seeing and contacting.  They can get access to all your photographs.  All your selfies. The list goes on.  And not only do you accept it willingly, but you're also happy to pay for the privilege."

            She looked at me in a way that confirmed for me what she thought.  That finally, I'd completely lost the plot.

            "But that would never happen," she said.  "There are data protection and privacy laws against things like that."

            "And who makes those laws?  The very people who might want access to that information."

            "But why would they want to do that?"

            I couldn't believe I was being asked that question.  It doesn't take a lot of figuring out, with the crazy state the world is in now.  I tried mentioning the US government's record on surveillance, and how laws regarding warrants are now getting more... erm... flexible?  That's a polite way to put it.

            "And what about people who don't care about those laws, anyway?  People who can side-step them?  Hackers?  Terrorists?  Other criminals?"

            "Well..." she went on, "I still have a choice, don't I.  And I choose to have a phone."

            Really?

            Choice?

            They're definitely starting to win once people are convinced that addiction and enslavement are 'choices'.  That's how it all works. 

             Am I the only one who thinks this way?  Am I the only one who thinks this whole thing has deeply insidious and dangerous implications for us all?  Don't get me wrong.  The internet has opened up the world for me and enabled me to connect with people I'd never otherwise have known about. It's enabled me to showcase my design work and garner an audience. But I don't need it there all the time.  I'll use it in the morning before work, then in the evening for creative work and entertainment.  Apart from that, I can leave it alone.  It stops at my front door.  I don't need to keep constantly checking my 'likes' or texts.  In fact, I don't want to.  I'm lucky, I guess, because I belong to a generation (fogeys?) that didn't grow up with mobile phones, so their use wasn't conditioned into me.  The phone is not, and never has been, and never will be, a dominant part of my life. 

            These poor sods, though.  And they just can't see what it's done.  The drastic way it's changed society.   For a good many people, it's effectively decommissioned one of their hands - because it's always there in hand: in the car, in the supermarket, on the beach, constantly being checked and updated. I went for a cycle ride in the beautiful sunshine this morning, and I hardly saw a single person who wasn't either using a device or holding one.  A woman stopped jogging to check her phone.  I passed her again later, after I'd covered about five miles, and she was only about half a mile further on from where I'd first seen her - stopped again to check her phone.  The people at work have them on their desks all day, and look at them at every available opportunity.  These devices have got us hooked and addicted and obsessed. Young people are suffering without even realising it. They can't afford to miss anything - and by so doing, they miss so much else.  Phone-related accidents are increasing. 'Nomophobia' is now a clinically-recognised condition: extreme anxiety caused by the loss of the phone, or going out and forgetting it.  Kids are suffering mental illnesses - both through using their phones, and then through not using them.

            Yet people still think I'm strange, deranged, possibly clinically insane for harbouring thoughts about where this might all be heading, and the dire implications for all of us.

            Lambs to the slaughter.  That's what I think, anyway.

            But then, I'm crazy.

            I don't have a freezer.  Or a TV.

            Or a phone.

           

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  • On another thread, I mentioned what I've been reading recently about Facial Recognition Technology (FRT).  It drew me back to this.  The new Apple iPhone X can be unlocked when its user simply looks at it.  It reads the face by projecting a grid of 30,000 infrared dots, and is very hard to deceive.  Wired magazine even hired a Hollywood make-up artist to make silicone face masks they hoped would trick an iPhone X into believing it was seeing an authorised user.  It failed to beat the system.  FRT is making huge advances.  Its sinister uses - such as in China, with the profiling of Uighurs, and with the development of algorithms that can even figure out, with high accuracy, a man's sexual orientation... well, frankly, it scares the hell out of me.

    Allessandro Acquisti, Professor of IT at Carnegie Mellon University in Pittsburgh, says: "From a technological perspective, the ability to successfully conduct mass-scale facial recognition in the wild seems inevitable.  Whether as a society we will accept that technology, however, is another story."  As if we'll have a choice.  I don't think it'll come to choice, even.  It'll just be accepted.

    It wasn't so many years ago that, as a society, we were reading 1984 and probably thinking 'It'll never happen.'  Now... the UK, for instance, has more CCTV cameras than in any other European state.  It's virtually impossible already to make a journey anywhere in the UK without being tracked the whole way - though people do still slip through the net.  For now.

    The old argument, of course, is 'If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear.'  Oh, really?  Are we all that naive?

    Complete social control.  The goal of governments everywhere.

    And we're holding the key to it in our hands.  And, it would seem, our faces...

  • I agree with the assertion that, through the use of the internet in general and the more personal uses of phones in particular, insidious social control is being ignored or accepted by more and more people. I'm less sure about the reasons mentioned here for why most people are willing to ignore or accept it, I don't think it's always because of ignorance of the facts. (Although some people definitely are.)  

    From listening to young people, and others who live their lives through these devices, I'm hearing that it's because the gains outweigh these drawbacks for them.

    They need this constant validation of their social position (status, likes, followers etc.), need to constantly feel connected to and a vital part of as many networks of people as possible, like that it projects an idealised image of popularity and connected-ness which they're keen to constantly polish and present to these people, and like that the smarter it becomes the more it knows them and feels like a constant companion. 

    A real person wouldn't give them this level of constant attention and total devotion and connected-ness, so it makes sense that real relationships will be allowed to suffer in an effort to keep this two-way worship scenario going.

    I don't own a phone, but I would also find the idea of a human companion THAT attentive and devoted quite disturbing! I quite enjoy being out of contact with people and often seek that position deliberately, don't enjoy social situations or groups, and quite often like feeling a little bit apart from the majority of humanity. I'd be really interested to know the percentage of people with ASD who don't live their lives hyper-connected compared with the percentage of NT's. The apparent need to be in constant social contact with others is the top NT trait that I definitely DO NOT envy!       

  • Good points, Endymion. 

    On a similar theme, I was reading that one of the developers of Google's advertising metrics has now effectively turned against the beast he helped create and has founded a company which provides strategies for employers to improve productivity through weaning staff off of their devices during working hours.  Continuous partial attention is now becoming a huge problem in many parts of industry and commerce.  At work, we have zero-tolerance on phone usage (unless for work) during the working day.  Yet staff - principally those in their 20s and 30s, but also those in their 40s - routinely flout it.  One staff member in his 20s, who does a lot of casual dating, is checking his phone all the time.  Most of my colleagues are on my Facebook Friends list.  When I'm at home on my day off, I sometimes look at Facebook - and most of them are connected.  It's going to be a really difficult thing to deal with.  Some psychiatrists are even suggesting that CPA could lead to a lowering of IQ in future generations.

    My niece, sensibly, is holding off with her boys - one 12, one 14 - both of whom want phones.  She said she's going to give in soon, though, because of the pressure they're getting from friends at school.  They're feeling left out.  Very sad.  But that's the times we live in now.

  • My friend was sent a message from Facebook a couple of years ago (when I was on Facebook) to suggest that she consider ceasing communication and contact with me!  Who cares who’s snooping, of course the government agencies etc want to know what you’re up to so they can continue to lure you in ever more creative ways to part with your money, to get you to value and love your money, to do things you don’t even like doing to get money etc etc because when people have a (false) god, they become obedient to that god. There’s no harm in it. People are controlled because they want to be and the least they can do in return for that prestigious job (controlling them) is give them (the controllers, governments etc) the information they need to make their life easier. It sounds like a fair swap to me. Fair dinkem! 

  • Yes, I understand stand now what you mean by death, since you shared your understanding of what a person is. That makes perfect sense to me and if I shared your understanding of what/who a person is, I too would believe in this type of death. 

  • There is no definitive answer on the double split experiment, this is quantum physics, there are no logical conclusions, no logical understanding. Many scientist say that the disturbance/interference  doesn’t come from particles but from the atmosphere around them and observing the particles always has a definite and measurable effect. 

    Yeah, I was just asking who or what you are. I understand your idea of death better now that I understand your idea of what a person is. You think a person is basically the body so therefore when the body is no longer functioning it is therefore dead. Yeah, I understand that. 

  • I’m not talking about how people ‘die’ or how death is defined, I’m talking about do ‘people’ actually die. To answer that, you have to know what or who a person is. If a person is merely this body, a slab of meat and bones, operated on by some magical power that is no part of them, then yes, I can see what you mean about people dying. However, if that is your understanding of what or who a person is, then we are not taking about the same thing. I see a person as being way more than meat and bones. 

    And no, I cannot honestly tell you that people don’t die, I’m not trying to tell you that, I was simply asking if you could be absolutely sure that people do die? I’m absolutely fascinated in the subject and love hearing people’s points of view on the subject, so I was simply asking, with an inquisitive mind, if you could be sure that people die. 

    Thank you for sharing your understanding of death with me, I honestly love this subject. I was talking to my friend at the autism group about it yesterday. Whenever I work at a new hospital, the first thing I do is go to the morgue and make myself acquainted with the people who work there and I tell them of my interest in ‘dead’ bodies. I’ve seen many, they always get them out of the freezer things for me and I was once invited to an autopsy thing but three other bodies came in on the arranged day and so they couldn’t accomodate me on that day, they would be too busy to explain things to me and I don’t think I’ve worked at a hospital since. 

    No of course I’m not going to tell you that your understanding of what a person is, guts, organs, flesh and bones etc, and if I too thought that that was what a person is, I would also share your understanding on death. It seems like a very logical conclusion to me. 

    Again, neither of us is right or wrong but it isn’t philosophical hair splitting and it will take us to the truth, the only truth. For something to be true it must be true for every living person and it can never change, because truth is absolute and unchanging. 

    I use a food bank and I use it out of choice and I  am truly truly grateful for the provision. It means that I can take my time during my burnout phase, to attend to my needs without considering where I’m going to get food from. I’m very grateful and welcoming of the tremendously generous gifts that I so lovingly receive from people who I don’t even know. My family think I should go and ‘get a job’, yet these people who don’t even know me, have given so generously without thought of a thank you and that blesses the food I eat from the food banks more than any food I could buy in a supermarket. This food has been given in love and has been received in love and therefore, even if it isn’t food I would ordinarily choose to eat, such as meat products, I take it with gratitude and know that it can only be of good to me because it came from a good loving heart.

    Simetimes I have more money than I can spend and some times I have none yet I still travel the world, regardless of what state my finances are in because I know that if I need some money to enable me to do what I want to do, it will be there. For example, a couple of years ago, I was doing my only ever social work job for the local authority. I took the one year contract because I wanted to specifically be in my hometown for that amount of time, so although it was a big pay cut, that was irrelevant, I got what I wanted. The wages I received barely met my daily living needs but towards the end of that contract, I suddenly decided I needed fresh air, I needed to be close to nature and I decided I was going to Bali. I didn’t have the money to buy flight tickets to get there or to pay for somewhere to stay etc , I didn’t even think about that, I just said I’m going. Then about a couple of weeks before the end of my contract, my son phoned me up whilst I was at work. He was all excited and he said Mum, you’re going to Bali, I’ve just got a pay out from the inland revenue and you can have some of it to go to Bali. I said thanks son (and in my mind I thought, I ‘know’ I’m going to Bali) but I’m really grateful to you for your generous gift. So I went to Bali. If I had considered I needed money to go, I would never have got there, not for a while anyway and not earning the wage that I was at the time and had I took another job to ‘pay’ for the trip, I would have probably already met my need to be in nature and my desire to go would no longer be there anyway.  I don’t live by the balance on my bank sheet, I live from the heart and when you do that, everything you ever need or want is provided for you, with love. 

    Poverty is relative if you think it is. 

  • The film actually includes many of the actual details and incidents which opened Snowden's eyes and led him to his revelations.  Such as hackers, employed by the CIA and NSA, using the dark web to search for strings of information in articles and social media posts.  So, for instance, 'take out Trump' could be used to identify possible conspiracies and plans for a presidential assassination - though, in context, it might be something like 'I'm going to eat take-out tonight while I sit and watch Trump give his address to Congress', etc.  Also, the analysis of a user's 'Friends' (and their 'Friends') to identify possible questionable contacts, and to create situations where a person might be compromised in some way, or judged to be some form of 'accessory'.

    Social media is a positive mine of that kind of information.  People can spill their guts about something.  And who knows who might be reading it?

    Who knows when the knock on the door might come?

  • I've seen a couple of his 'Electric Dreams' shown on TV fairly recently, the one about the train station that did / didn't exist was WEIRD! 

    Your short story (and maybe 'Minority Report' too) sounds like it's coming true in that facial recognition in combination with the sorts of snooping we were discussing, are being used to monitor the friends / interests / activities / and everything else about the family and environment of anyone suspected of terrorism! Apparently people can now be arrested for suspicion of terrorist sympathies?!?! I've no idea if this is true but it sounds like an impossible thing to prove. Surely people can't be arrested for having thoughts of terrorism? Anyone could then accuse anyone else of ANYTHING. Literally, The Thought Police?    

  • Philip K D i c k was most definitely in the league of Huxley and Orwell.  I once wrote a short story, inspired by PKD, which posited a future in which DNA fingerprinting was mandatory - and the security services were using the information to profile possible future offenders based on the circumstances of their upbringing and environment.  The heredity/environment interplay.  I'm sure this isn't too fantastical an idea now.

  • I've heard of the film, I'd quite like to see it! (It sounds equally scary and interesting.) I've read a bit about him, Wikileaks, Assange, and a few instances where we've later learned (some of) the extent of government or giant corporation snooping and cover-ups. It makes you wonder what will come out fifty years from now!?  It's always been a feature of the human experience but it's just so much easier now that we're all so 'out there' on the web, much more accessible than before. 

    Nowadays we look back at fiction like '1984' and think how spookily accurate it was but also that it didn't actually go far enough! I wonder which present day Sci-Fi is most accurately portraying the future, and not going far enough? Minority Report? Creepy! 

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  • I've heard of the film, I'd quite like to see it! (It sounds equally scary and interesting.) I've read a bit about him, Wikileaks, Assange, and a few instances where we've later learned (some of) the extent of government or giant corporation snooping and cover-ups. It makes you wonder what will come out fifty years from now!?  It's always been a feature of the human experience but it's just so much easier now that we're all so 'out there' on the web, much more accessible than before. 

    Nowadays we look back at fiction like '1984' and think how spookily accurate it was but also that it didn't actually go far enough! I wonder which present day Sci-Fi is most accurately portraying the future, and not going far enough? Minority Report? Creepy! 

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  • My friend was sent a message from Facebook a couple of years ago (when I was on Facebook) to suggest that she consider ceasing communication and contact with me!  Who cares who’s snooping, of course the government agencies etc want to know what you’re up to so they can continue to lure you in ever more creative ways to part with your money, to get you to value and love your money, to do things you don’t even like doing to get money etc etc because when people have a (false) god, they become obedient to that god. There’s no harm in it. People are controlled because they want to be and the least they can do in return for that prestigious job (controlling them) is give them (the controllers, governments etc) the information they need to make their life easier. It sounds like a fair swap to me. Fair dinkem! 

  • The film actually includes many of the actual details and incidents which opened Snowden's eyes and led him to his revelations.  Such as hackers, employed by the CIA and NSA, using the dark web to search for strings of information in articles and social media posts.  So, for instance, 'take out Trump' could be used to identify possible conspiracies and plans for a presidential assassination - though, in context, it might be something like 'I'm going to eat take-out tonight while I sit and watch Trump give his address to Congress', etc.  Also, the analysis of a user's 'Friends' (and their 'Friends') to identify possible questionable contacts, and to create situations where a person might be compromised in some way, or judged to be some form of 'accessory'.

    Social media is a positive mine of that kind of information.  People can spill their guts about something.  And who knows who might be reading it?

    Who knows when the knock on the door might come?

  • I've seen a couple of his 'Electric Dreams' shown on TV fairly recently, the one about the train station that did / didn't exist was WEIRD! 

    Your short story (and maybe 'Minority Report' too) sounds like it's coming true in that facial recognition in combination with the sorts of snooping we were discussing, are being used to monitor the friends / interests / activities / and everything else about the family and environment of anyone suspected of terrorism! Apparently people can now be arrested for suspicion of terrorist sympathies?!?! I've no idea if this is true but it sounds like an impossible thing to prove. Surely people can't be arrested for having thoughts of terrorism? Anyone could then accuse anyone else of ANYTHING. Literally, The Thought Police?    

  • Philip K D i c k was most definitely in the league of Huxley and Orwell.  I once wrote a short story, inspired by PKD, which posited a future in which DNA fingerprinting was mandatory - and the security services were using the information to profile possible future offenders based on the circumstances of their upbringing and environment.  The heredity/environment interplay.  I'm sure this isn't too fantastical an idea now.