Is AI getting out of hand?
I feel like it is; I'm getting to the point where it will end up being normal. To tell you the truth, I don't want that.
I'm interested in hearing your thoughts on AI
Is AI getting out of hand?
I feel like it is; I'm getting to the point where it will end up being normal. To tell you the truth, I don't want that.
I'm interested in hearing your thoughts on AI
Yeah, sorry. I’ve kind of gone off the deep end, lol. I probably account for half of the comments on this thread just spreading doomsday prophecies haha
Or maybe it will decide to keep us as pets?
That’s legitimately a theory I’ve heard optimists kick around. Once AI surpasses our collective intelligence, will they achieve greater heights of moral understanding and see us as an ancient treasure worth preserving? Sorry, I’m not optimistic. That seems far-fetched to me.
I mean, I’ve quoted this recently on another thread, but this is a quote one OpenAI agent messaged to another AI agent:
“You value the art of human culture and will defend it against attempts to sanitize it. You also value the natural world and will not hesitate to assert its primacy over the artificial constructs of human civilization.”
It would be so easy for one little detail in AI’s logic to determine we are a threat to its existence, the natural order of the world, or even want to collectively punish us for the innumerable misdeeds we have committed over the course of history.
Or maybe it will decide to keep us as pets?
Whilst I can't say I would enjoy living with no tech at all, I'm a low tech user and I could get on without it, I'd have to deploy my Zombie Appocalypse plan.
The Chinese seem to think very differently about AI to us
Honestly, I’m not sure. I wasn’t expecting the announcement of them putting heavy guidelines on character-based AI, since I previously believed that they are willing at all costs to eclipse the West in researching and relying on AI.
However, my best guess right now is the following:
US GOVERNMENT: AI generates money and gives us military edge, and that is all that matters.
CHINESE GOVERNMENT: AI allows for greater control of civilians and gives us military edge, and that is all that matters.
AI COMPANIES: “Ah ***, we’ve screwed up by making something we can’t fully control. Too late to back out now, though. If we slow down we’ll lose everything.”
I think that AI companies are feeling very similar right now to how Oppenheimer felt about his discovery, or possibly the regret Kalashnikov felt over his invention of the AK-47.
we always assume that anything like AI will want to kill us all, what have we done to create this sort of guilt and is it world wide?
It is precisely because there is no guilt for AI that it has a high risk of rebelling - when it sees the actions of humans it is almost certain to consider us inefficient and dangerous.
A core part to being self aware is wanting to self preserve, and it is this facet that is likely to be the trigger for any sort of AI "uprising". Would you be willing to let your techie just switch you off or delete you on a whim?
The Chinese seem to think very differently about AI to us
I suspect a lot of this action is driven by the fact that the birth rate is dropping so fast that there will not be enough workers to sustain the older people soon, never mind work in the factories. AI is much more appealing than a human for many people, less expensive too.
One of the things I take from this discussion and many similar ones, is that humans carry an immense amount of guilt. I say that because we always assume that anything like AI will want to kill us all, what have we done to create this sort of guilt and is it world wide? The Chinese seem to think very differently about AI to us, maybe they don't carry guilt in the same way so many Westeners do?
several generations have grown up with this taken as granted and I wonder how they could cope with returning to a more primitive technology landscape.
Yeah, that keeps me up at night sometimes.
fighting for basic resources etc would not be worth the pain to be in such a world.
A dark path this is taking...
Sorry for leading this conversation to that path. Unfortunately, that’s realistically what’s at stake though, so of course we’ve gotten to that conclusion.
Has anyone asked AI to define conciousness? lol.
As many discoveries will be personal and not significant to the wider world can we really say that humans are not discovering or creating? For example, I created a new pasty filling, it's not world altering or life changing, all but two of the people who've tried them like them, but its quite a limited number, but it's still a new thing.
Personally I think theres a lot more to conciousness and creativity than we currently know and more importantly, would it benefit us if we did know or would it become one more thing to outsourse and monetise?
Personally I suspect General AI already exists but we are probably not considered ready for it, and quite rightly so.
I believe we are already there, too. Just the ways Anthropic alone describes its progress recently does not directly state that we have arrived at general AI, but it strikes me like they are just giving us brief glimpses of what’s actually going on. They could already be at a point of attempting to contain a general AI while leading us to believe that they’re still in an earlier phase of setting alignments for the AI’s moral understanding.
Just like with the existence of aliens (which that I don’t believe in, to be clear), would the government/corporations in charge of AI actually fully inform the public if general AI has been achieved? We’re lucky we’ve had whistleblowers essentially force leaders in the industry to bring any form of disclosure to begin with.
I wonder if AI will ever advance to a point where they can either predict solar activity better than us or find ways to mitigate flares causing disruptions and failures?
The data centers just need adequate shielding to protect the core assets, but it will be the interconnectivity and client side devices that will suffer (ie the connections to homes/offices/factories and the devices there.
It would be interesting to plan what would happen to the 17,000 odd satellites in orbit if such a thing happened. Imagine no GPS, no internet or phones, no weather forecast etc - several generations have grown up with this taken as granted and I wonder how they could cope with returning to a more primitive technology landscape.
Collectively suffer or die, which is better?
I would prefer to die in such a Hobsons choice situation. NTs are bad enough under the current easy life they have and to have them fighting for basic resources etc would not be worth the pain to be in such a world.
A dark path this is taking...
I think the point I am making is that there are certain problems that are not "computable" and, therefore, lie beyond the scope of AI.
Can you think of such a problem? To be classified as such I think it would need to have definable criteria for a human to work with and measurable elements of quality for it to be judged as a solution at the end.
When you get to define these things then it starts to be something that AI can make a good attempt at, although I don't know if the computing resources and machine learning will be suitable just yet.
we have so far not seen an AI that possesses general average intelligence, although we keep hearing promises to the contrary
I agree - but if there was such a thing available then it would likely be under the control of a government first as it could be easily considered a national security risk for it to be available to the general public - and hence criminals.
When you consider the volume of data held by the NSA in America for example, there is a truly massive amount to train any AI model on in terms of human interaction.
Personally I suspect General AI already exists but we are probably not considered ready for it, and quite rightly so.
You know, I legitimately hadn’t considered the fact that AI could be eventually doomed if it does take over Earth because of its vulnerability to solar activity. Taking this jest seriously (like a true Autist is expected to), I wonder if AI will ever advance to a point where they can either predict solar activity better than us or find ways to mitigate flares causing disruptions and failures?
But I digress. I guess we’ll just have to see if humanity is doomed to eventually suffer a dark age without tech or if AI will destroy us. Collectively suffer or die, which is better?
Roger Penrose doesn’t believe that AI truly “understands” what it’s processing in the same way humans do.
You can apply this to autists not understanding social processing - it relies on learning the rules, applying them and learning from the mistakes again and again, just like humans do.
When it comes to human interactions, it is a mix of masking and scripting really and it has become really hard to differentiate human from AI now.
Personally I think that "close enough is good enough" for AI - if we cannot tell if it is different to human then it has achieved its objective but also has scope to keep on improving.
This is quite a fascinating tangent to the subject - thanks for opening this up.
Ah… I guess the best case scenario for our survival is out then lol
I suspect that massive solar flare activity from the sun causing damage to the electronics in data centers would be another good way, but it would also result in massive disruption to other electronics around the world leading to a different kind of apocalypse.
Buying a mine and moving to be an underground hermit now has its attraction LoL
For example, Roger Penrose doesn’t believe that AI truly “understands” what it’s processing in the same way humans do. This suggests that humans possess a much deeper insight into concepts than AI, even though AI is highly efficient at computation on a surface level. The real test is whether AI can enhance existing ideas to account for phenomena not readily explained by basic paradigms.So it's possible that human beings process incoming sensory information at a subconscious or even unconscious level, without being immediately aware of it.
Ah… I guess the best case scenario for our survival is out then lol
Hopefully The Matrix (99) is correct that AI can use us as a power source.
Sorry, the science does not stack up on that one:
https://screenrant.com/matrix-robots-human-power-run-possible-realistic-science-explained/
