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Ideally I'd support a political party to the left of a Starmer led Labour but not a Corbynite,unelectable,perpetual protest party.  It disturbs and worries me  that some on this thread are giving clear indications that  they have no problem with Labour's intended actions against the disabled and/or vulnerable. The idea that it can be deemed acceptable, because of the damage caused by 14 years of Tory ineptitude, horrifies me. Have we really sunk so low, as a nation,  that punishing those less fortunate for the behaviour of those far more fortunate is regarded as morally acceptable?

No one is saying we’re happy about it.

What we are saying is that there is no better option available and going off in the huff and not voting will mean a Tory/Reform government which would be vastly worse.

It’s just realism.

No one is saying we’re happy about it.

What we are saying is that there is no better option available and going off in the huff and not voting will mean a Tory/Reform government which would be vastly worse.

It’s just realism.

There is much repetitive haranguing and a failure to engage with the issues raised in replies and in questions. Seems like unimaginative thinking and powerlessness can make conspiracy theories and military dictatorships attractive. 

I've just read IIM's latest post, its nearly at the bottom of the thread, so I had to really look for it.

IIM, We do have choices, we always have choices and I don't agree with your assessment at all. As ever you've not given us any idea as to where you came by the information you're so wedded too, I'm not asking you to explain yourself in any negative way, I mearly want to understand how you reached your views? As it seems you will not give me any idea of where you came by your information and seem to have doubled down on your previous posts, I can only assume that that either you have no information to share or are very insecure in that information.

Like A, I don't know if you're for real or if all your screeds are just the incoherant ramblings of a wind up merchant?

You deny we've ever had a far right, where have "we" never had one and who is this "we" you refer too? Having been fairly politically active most of my adult life, I've had plenty of encounters with the far right in the UK, none of them good.

It's Holocaust Memorial day today, the 80th aniversary of the liberation of Aucshwitz, which to me makes the denial of any far right groups particulalry offensive, because what were the Nazi's if not far rightwing?

Has anyone got any instances of any benign military dictatorship, because I've not and I have a good knowlege of history and I can't find one, they all seem to be murderous.

I can't imagine why anyone would think a military dictatorship would be a good thing or how it ties into "traditional values", what would happen to any who didn't want to controlled or governed by such an entity? Would we all be killed or imprisoned, or "reducated" Chinese style?

I seem to remember that we had a conservative government during covid and for a few years afterwards too. They locked down, our lockdowns were a lot less onerous than those of many other countries, we had an efficient vaccine roll out, some may not like the idea of being vaccinated, but I think those that do have short memories, I'm old enough to remember kids wearing calipers and built up shoes from complications due to polio, not something I think humanity needs to revisit. To those who think we should have locked down, what do they think a viable alternative would of been? Because from what I've heard, nobody has any, other than for many millions more people to be infected and an even higher death rate. I've also yet to hear of any anti-vaxer and lockdown sceptic volunteering to be among the dead, so I can only assume its some kind of indulgence for oneself and punishment for everybody else sort of thing

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All I can say is that I sincerely hope a mute feature can be implemented on this forum

in all of my posts on this thread, I only speak the uncomfortable truth as an awake Irish patriot who is witnessing at first hand the “deconstruction” (destruction) of not just my beloved homeland but also of every western country globally, including the U.K. - in addition to seeing our countries being systematically dismantled in real time by the globalists and thier leftist helpers via the imposition of global communism, we are also witnessing the futures of future generations of our young people slipping away, if our young people even make it to childbearing age and therefore the future of western civilisation - in addition to this, we are also facing the distinct possibility of a global nuke war, therefore the stakes could not be higher - we have been warned about this many times by people from Eastern Europe who have suffered greatly under the former Soviet communist regime and they have seen the warning signs of this happening here in the west that have destroyed several generations of thier own families - despite being a communist country, the CCP wants to be a player on the global world stage and has worked very closely with the WEF and other globalist bodies to impose global communism on the western world via the social credit system - the globalists have won several significant victories to date since Covid, however increasing numbers of people are waking up, which even allowing for people’s lack of trust in him, as leaders are “selected not elected” President Trump still got re-elected and hopefully he can take firm action to at least impede the globalists or even totally stop the globalists in their tracks - I’d always held out some hope that positive change could happen all during Covid but in 2022, I’d lost all hope and confidence in our leaders - however, as much as I may not totally trust him, I am cautiously optimistic that President Trump can do some good, learning from his past mistakes during his last term from 2016-2020 and before the election steal during Covid 

Honestly can’t tell if you’re for real 

If voting made any real difference than voting would be illegal - there is no political nor democratic solution - the insidious and deceptive nature of democracy itself has enabled much of the problems that we are seeing now where democracy itself has been infiltrated, hijacked and corrupted beyond all repair to ever again be fit for purpose, where in all truth, leftists have abandoned all of their core values in obedience to their globalist deep state masters and instead have adopted a version of communism which they seek to impose on everyone on behalf of the globalist elites 

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No one is infallible.

It's not about being fallible. I have no problem with that, and will readily post proof of that fallibility . The problem is being accused of  fallibility and stupidity over something when no such thing occurred. You were quite happy to brand me as stupid, but didn't like it when accused of the same.

Now about that fallibility.

That's out of 800. 

Using Copilot

What does this indicate? Poor planning ability, poor non verbal memory, poor visual short term memory,poor spatial perception, poor hand eye coordination

These indicators suggest difficulties in several cognitive and motor skills:

Poor planning ability: Difficulty in organizing and executing tasks efficiently.

Poor non-verbal memory: Trouble remembering information that isn't language-based, like faces or patterns.

Poor visual short-term memory: Struggling to hold visual information for a short period.

Poor spatial perception: Challenges in understanding and remembering spatial relationships between objects.

Poor hand-eye coordination: Difficulty in coordinating visual input with hand movements.

These issues can impact daily activities and learning processes. Do you have any specific concerns or situations where these difficulties are noticeable?

I was wondering about conditions/disorders
There are several conditions and disorders that could be associated with the difficulties you mentioned:

Dyspraxia (Developmental Coordination Disorder): This affects motor coordination and can impact planning, non-verbal memory, spatial perception, and hand-eye coordination.

Nonverbal Learning Disorder (NVLD): This neurological condition affects the ability to understand and process visual-spatial information, impacting tasks like drawing, writing, and motor skills.

Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD): Often co-occurring with dyspraxia, ADHD can affect planning, memory, and coordination.

Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD): Some individuals with ASD may have difficulties with non-verbal memory, spatial perception, and coordination.

Lotus said:

you have little chance of convincing them to join you as Labour voters.

I would be more than happy to be given good reasons to vote Labour at the next local and general election.'At least they're better than' when it comes to welfare policy especially, but other areas too, isn't a good enough reason. If Labour fails to win the next general election it'll be because they failed to give voters,including myself, positive reasons to vote for them.

I support their position re farmers and re public schools. They should've handled things re winter fuel payments better. It's their intended plans re welfare  that are the barrier to my voting for them. If they can get more disabled people into being employed whilst not raising the hurdle needed to jump over to prove inability to work, I'd be supportive of that.

23 posts on this thread

2 up voted by me

17 not voted on by me

4 down voted because I felt like they were personal attacks on me or someone else, not because I don't respect the right to have different views.

Intelligent people can still say or do stupid things firemonkey. No one is infallible.

But I didn’t mean to make you question your sense of self. For that I am sorry.

Would you respect me if I expressed my admiration of Hitler? Not all views are worthy of respect.

And your statements about respect are rather undermined by you downvoting all my posts here.

A - I was not asking you to "shut up" - please feel free to continue expressing your views. I have already said that I respect your right to do so. However, if you cannot respect other people who express different views, you have little chance of convincing them to join you as Labour voters.

I said that I had decided to withdraw from the debate as I don't want to argue. So that is what I will now do.

So you’d rather let a far right fascist party in instead?

Yeah, clearly not stupid

I'm very far from ignorant or stupid.  The most likely way to haemorrhage  support is through taking  those who vote for you for granted. It's counterproductive and it's insulting. Voters don't like to be treated that way.

You can’t massively cut almost every tax and increase services.

Their own manifesto has a vague statement about “cutting government spending”.

And these are the people who told us Brexit would give us £350m a week for the NHS.

They are rich people funded by very right wing billionaires and they have absolutely no interest in improving life for ordinary people.

TheCatWoman said:

I too wonder how Reform intend to pay for all this?

An outline of this is at the end of the document here:

Reform Party policies

Do you have no comprehension at all about what is happening in the world?

About what Donald Trump has done in the last week?

About the fact that Farage - who screwed us with Brexit - is aligned to him?

No, sorry, I'm not going to [content removed by Moderator due to breaches rule 7 of the online community rules and guidelines]

There has been too much polite tolerance of this and look where it's got us. No more.

A, I understand your passion in how you feel about this, but we live in a representative democracy where everyone, including those you judge to be stupid or ignorant, have a choice of who to vote for or whether to not vote.

We will have to agree to disagree on this issue, and I will respectfully withdraw from the debate.