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Ideally I'd support a political party to the left of a Starmer led Labour but not a Corbynite,unelectable,perpetual protest party.  It disturbs and worries me  that some on this thread are giving clear indications that  they have no problem with Labour's intended actions against the disabled and/or vulnerable. The idea that it can be deemed acceptable, because of the damage caused by 14 years of Tory ineptitude, horrifies me. Have we really sunk so low, as a nation,  that punishing those less fortunate for the behaviour of those far more fortunate is regarded as morally acceptable?

No one is saying we’re happy about it.

What we are saying is that there is no better option available and going off in the huff and not voting will mean a Tory/Reform government which would be vastly worse.

It’s just realism.

Deleted User said:

going off in the huff

That's really juvenile and insulting. I haven't 'gone off in a huff'.

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No one is infallible.

It's not about being fallible. I have no problem with that, and will readily post proof of that fallibility . The problem is being accused of  fallibility and stupidity over something when no such thing occurred. You were quite happy to brand me as stupid, but didn't like it when accused of the same.

Now about that fallibility.

That's out of 800. 

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What does this indicate? Poor planning ability, poor non verbal memory, poor visual short term memory,poor spatial perception, poor hand eye coordination

These indicators suggest difficulties in several cognitive and motor skills:

Poor planning ability: Difficulty in organizing and executing tasks efficiently.

Poor non-verbal memory: Trouble remembering information that isn't language-based, like faces or patterns.

Poor visual short-term memory: Struggling to hold visual information for a short period.

Poor spatial perception: Challenges in understanding and remembering spatial relationships between objects.

Poor hand-eye coordination: Difficulty in coordinating visual input with hand movements.

These issues can impact daily activities and learning processes. Do you have any specific concerns or situations where these difficulties are noticeable?

I was wondering about conditions/disorders
There are several conditions and disorders that could be associated with the difficulties you mentioned:

Dyspraxia (Developmental Coordination Disorder): This affects motor coordination and can impact planning, non-verbal memory, spatial perception, and hand-eye coordination.

Nonverbal Learning Disorder (NVLD): This neurological condition affects the ability to understand and process visual-spatial information, impacting tasks like drawing, writing, and motor skills.

Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD): Often co-occurring with dyspraxia, ADHD can affect planning, memory, and coordination.

Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD): Some individuals with ASD may have difficulties with non-verbal memory, spatial perception, and coordination.

Lotus said:

you have little chance of convincing them to join you as Labour voters.

I would be more than happy to be given good reasons to vote Labour at the next local and general election.'At least they're better than' when it comes to welfare policy especially, but other areas too, isn't a good enough reason. If Labour fails to win the next general election it'll be because they failed to give voters,including myself, positive reasons to vote for them.

I support their position re farmers and re public schools. They should've handled things re winter fuel payments better. It's their intended plans re welfare  that are the barrier to my voting for them. If they can get more disabled people into being employed whilst not raising the hurdle needed to jump over to prove inability to work, I'd be supportive of that.

23 posts on this thread

2 up voted by me

17 not voted on by me

4 down voted because I felt like they were personal attacks on me or someone else, not because I don't respect the right to have different views.

Intelligent people can still say or do stupid things firemonkey. No one is infallible.

But I didn’t mean to make you question your sense of self. For that I am sorry.

Would you respect me if I expressed my admiration of Hitler? Not all views are worthy of respect.

And your statements about respect are rather undermined by you downvoting all my posts here.

A - I was not asking you to "shut up" - please feel free to continue expressing your views. I have already said that I respect your right to do so. However, if you cannot respect other people who express different views, you have little chance of convincing them to join you as Labour voters.

I said that I had decided to withdraw from the debate as I don't want to argue. So that is what I will now do.

A - I was not asking you to "shut up" - please feel free to continue expressing your views. I have already said that I respect your right to do so. However, if you cannot respect other people who express different views, you have little chance of convincing them to join you as Labour voters.

I said that I had decided to withdraw from the debate as I don't want to argue. So that is what I will now do.

Lotus said:

you have little chance of convincing them to join you as Labour voters.

I would be more than happy to be given good reasons to vote Labour at the next local and general election.'At least they're better than' when it comes to welfare policy especially, but other areas too, isn't a good enough reason. If Labour fails to win the next general election it'll be because they failed to give voters,including myself, positive reasons to vote for them.

I support their position re farmers and re public schools. They should've handled things re winter fuel payments better. It's their intended plans re welfare  that are the barrier to my voting for them. If they can get more disabled people into being employed whilst not raising the hurdle needed to jump over to prove inability to work, I'd be supportive of that.

23 posts on this thread

2 up voted by me

17 not voted on by me

4 down voted because I felt like they were personal attacks on me or someone else, not because I don't respect the right to have different views.

Would you respect me if I expressed my admiration of Hitler? Not all views are worthy of respect.

And your statements about respect are rather undermined by you downvoting all my posts here.