Anew government

I'm slightly ashamed of the proportion of our countrymen and women who voted Reform, presumably a mix of the gullible, the disgruntled, the stupid and the fascistic.

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There is absolutely nothing personal in what I said, no one on the forum has said that they have voted for Reform, so,  logically, I cannot have aimed my comments at any particular person. I see standing up against any political party or movement that is fundamentally inimical to autistics and other neurodivergent people as an imperative for me, especially here. Hans Asperger allowed 'less useful autistics' to be sent to places where he knew, or could reasonably have suspected, they would be murdered. That type of horror should not be allowed to happen again. Even small stands against that way of thinking are worthwhile.

I have some level of hope in the basic decency of the greater part of the British people to think that whatever name - and Farage's parties have changed theirs more frequently than any other in history - Farage's party goes under it will remain the refuge of a small minority. The disgust of many who were inclined towards Farage after the views of some of his underlings were made public has heartened me.

The Far Right use fear to drum up support, never hope. Fear of foreigners, fear of the poor sods in little inflatable boats who are so desperate to get to this apparently benighted country that they are willing to risk their lives, fear of the EU forcing straight cucumbers on them, fear of ethnic and religious minorities and so on. FEAR, FEAR, FEAR! 

I prefer hope.

Trump is a definitely a Fascist, one of the defining features of which is the use of street violence (Blackshirts, SA) towards political ends and the assault on the Capitol fits this perfectly.

Those who openly identify as members of the group "left of centre" repeatly and consitently introduce ultra right wing concepts and symbolism as descriptive of a bloc of U.K. voters. Why is that?

The right wingers tell me it's because you can't meme...

Most voters I notice liek em over teh prevuous advice were clued up enough to stay at home...

Only four million of us stirred our disconsolate selves enough to say "Anything but more of what we've had since the seventies!" but after the next four years (Unless Kier really is a Magician) the reform vote will be substantially bigger, and I think I'd even bet an ounce of slver on it....

Unless "they" can find some serious dirt on Mr Farage of course. 

I do not advocate sending Reform voters, or even Farage, to gas chambers. This is the essential distinction. I have German and Austrian relatives, they fled the Red Army to get into the British Zone, walking a lot of the way. I was one of two small boys in my home town who wore lederhosen - very practical wear for small boys.

It's simple, really. 

Those of us stuck out on the fringes just want things to get a bit more normal.

Prosperity comes from production. The productive people were quiet, too busy working to produce, leaving the louder voces and idler hands to assume control of what they produced. 

THIS is the result. 

Galloway didn't have the common decency to show up at the official result announcement in Rochdale, once he knew he had lost. I have zero respect for a person with such little grace or decency. One of Farage's teachers at Dulwich College formally, in writing, objected to him being considered as a potential prefect. The letter stated that Farage "publicly professed neo-Fascist views" - warning that he was prone to singing Hitler Youth songs. Just about all that needs to be known about Farage.

I have such people in my extended family. I know why they voted for national socialism. 

And some of them are still annoyed about losing to us. I watched Opa (grandad) Willi visbly struggle with his instinctive liking of me versus his resentment of how the Ryal navy treated him after fishing him out of the water after first torpedoing his ship.... 

It all started with "labelliing" entire blocks of people, as "undesitables" using rigidly (or corruptly) enforced political metrics to select a scapegoat class from otherwise blamelss groups of people. 

Labelling and denigrating people who voted differenlty is of the same ilk, how is this so difficult to see?

Martin said:

I suspect that a very large proportion of the German voters who voted Hitler into power were gullible or disgruntled

And the American population look likely to vote Trump into power at the end of the year too. This is democracy at work.

We have to respect the choices of these people, however personally distasteful we find them otherwise we are being dictatorial ourselves in trying to stamp out their beliefs.

I'm sure there were plenty of gullible and/or stupid voters who went for Labour this time round too, also those disgruntled with the previous government so these arguements are worthless here in my opinion.

That only leaves the label of fascist which is pretty much what half of America is voting for at the moment.

You may not agree with its principles but a heck of a lot of people apparently do, so democracy needs to give then the right to expression so long as they stay within the law.

Martin said:

I suspect that a very large proportion of the German voters who voted Hitler into power were gullible or disgruntled

And the American population look likely to vote Trump into power at the end of the year too. This is democracy at work.

We have to respect the choices of these people, however personally distasteful we find them otherwise we are being dictatorial ourselves in trying to stamp out their beliefs.

I'm sure there were plenty of gullible and/or stupid voters who went for Labour this time round too, also those disgruntled with the previous government so these arguements are worthless here in my opinion.

That only leaves the label of fascist which is pretty much what half of America is voting for at the moment.

You may not agree with its principles but a heck of a lot of people apparently do, so democracy needs to give then the right to expression so long as they stay within the law.

Trump is a definitely a Fascist, one of the defining features of which is the use of street violence (Blackshirts, SA) towards political ends and the assault on the Capitol fits this perfectly.

It's simple, really. 

Those of us stuck out on the fringes just want things to get a bit more normal.

Prosperity comes from production. The productive people were quiet, too busy working to produce, leaving the louder voces and idler hands to assume control of what they produced. 

THIS is the result.