ESA - ATOS - Work - Benefits

Is it a fight for rights or a fight for the easy option ?

While some people may not be able to work the bulk of those with mental/physical disabilities or problems are able to do some kind of work, so I think it's only right that the government of any country seeks to solve this problem even if only to reduce the costs of providing for these people.

Some of these people want to work and need to work around their issues though and this seems to be overlooked by the government.

Some of these people though have not worked for many years or not at all and are now being pressured into finding a job so obviously they find it difficult especially when they have problems with the type of work they can do and the environment they need to work in.

Some of these people though do not want to work full stop - and have got used to being provided for, and the thought of them having to do something for themselves seems impossible so they use their disabilities/problems so not to have to work.

I think unless someone is absolutely unable to work then they should not expect any government to provide for them but the way the government are going about it is all wrong - there is no black and white line between either being able or being unable to work - and people should not be pushed or pulled to one side or the other - this creates a gulf between those people and the government whereby the people are fighting to be on one side and the government in fighting to get them on the other side.

For those who have been one one side of the line for most of their life to suddenly find they have been pushed onto the other side can be a huge problem.

I think there should be some middle ground here - such as for example people getting assessed on a points system and then be expected to work a certain amount of hours and then getting reassessed every few months.

I'm also guilty to some degree of finding comfort in the route of wanting to avoid work due to my many problems and I also see this in other people, currently I do want to work but it means facing problems/anxieties etc so I need certain conditions or I need to be eased into it slowly but at one point I was with the attitude that I am sick and have rights etc and should not have to work - but I have now completely changed my point of view - and like a reformed smoker I am starting to feel animosity towards these kind of people now. I now don't believe that having any problems should serve as an excuse not to work and get annoyed when I see people expect to be provided for as I feel it's the easy option.

In life people need to struggle, without struggle people cannot grow. It's easy to claim money and not have to do anything - it's hard to face your problems and take responsibility for yourself. Whoever we are, whatever our problems we should face them and at least put some effort into our lifes rather than take the easy option.

Choosing or fighting to stay on the easy side of the line will only serve to make yourself weaker in the long run.

While many people need help once their environment is comfortable then people should be only be helped by being taught how to help themselves.

Nobody should be entitled to anything that they have not earned themselves.

I am looking for work, I want to work, I want to face my problems and become a stronger better person.

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  • Lots of good and bad points - would need to write a thesis to go through every reply and I don't have time sorry. Yes, I have ASC - and related hyperacusis.

    Many people have their own problems (sorry to confound them all into one word but I mean anything physical/mental/on the spectrum etc) and everyone has their own needs and way of thinking - the points I am trying to make are :-

    1) Those with problems that want to work in many cases need specific needs taken into account. While an obvious physical disability can be seen and catered for, many people on the spectrum have issues that can't be seen and are therefore often overlooked.

    2) If someone has been out of work for a long time and then find themselves being pushed into work then (in my opinion), some want to fight in order not to work despite them being able to do some kind of work, obviously this can be because they feel their issues in the workplace are not being addressed or simply because it's easier to not have to face those issues and in some cases simply because they have got used to being provided for.

    3) There should be no exact line between either being able or being unable to work - this just creates a scenario where people fight to be on one side of the line while the government (in the interests of the countries finanaces) fights to get them on the other side of the line.

    4) No human being should expect help and should always at least try to help themselves no matter what problems they have. The government is right in wanting to get people with problems (sorry for the generalisation) into work but is going the wrong way about it.

    Having problems should not mean being able to benefit from them or use them as a reason to escape from the harsh realities of life and having to strive to provide for oneself. In our society it's easy for those with problems to choose the easy route and it's these kind of people that pushes the government into taking a harder stance which makes it more unfair on those who have more severe issues.

    Being provided for makes people weaker because they have the choice not to have to do things, they can become lazy and expect things rather than have to do things to survive. Struggle makes people stronger, so no matter what problems someone has they should always try their best to overcome them rather that just accept help easily.

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  • Lots of good and bad points - would need to write a thesis to go through every reply and I don't have time sorry. Yes, I have ASC - and related hyperacusis.

    Many people have their own problems (sorry to confound them all into one word but I mean anything physical/mental/on the spectrum etc) and everyone has their own needs and way of thinking - the points I am trying to make are :-

    1) Those with problems that want to work in many cases need specific needs taken into account. While an obvious physical disability can be seen and catered for, many people on the spectrum have issues that can't be seen and are therefore often overlooked.

    2) If someone has been out of work for a long time and then find themselves being pushed into work then (in my opinion), some want to fight in order not to work despite them being able to do some kind of work, obviously this can be because they feel their issues in the workplace are not being addressed or simply because it's easier to not have to face those issues and in some cases simply because they have got used to being provided for.

    3) There should be no exact line between either being able or being unable to work - this just creates a scenario where people fight to be on one side of the line while the government (in the interests of the countries finanaces) fights to get them on the other side of the line.

    4) No human being should expect help and should always at least try to help themselves no matter what problems they have. The government is right in wanting to get people with problems (sorry for the generalisation) into work but is going the wrong way about it.

    Having problems should not mean being able to benefit from them or use them as a reason to escape from the harsh realities of life and having to strive to provide for oneself. In our society it's easy for those with problems to choose the easy route and it's these kind of people that pushes the government into taking a harder stance which makes it more unfair on those who have more severe issues.

    Being provided for makes people weaker because they have the choice not to have to do things, they can become lazy and expect things rather than have to do things to survive. Struggle makes people stronger, so no matter what problems someone has they should always try their best to overcome them rather that just accept help easily.

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