Maybe someone on here might be able to help me understand this.

Omricon B = No Crimbo. 

I found myself one on a website ten years ago playing such clearly defined roles, that it did seem appropriate to have an identity for each. However, I made no secret of it, and the other account clearly said this is a sock puppet used by the account xxxx. As would my user profile here, if I ever experience a legitimate need to have a second identity.

I've only ever been banned from one site in over years of being active on the web, mainly pursuing my scientific interests, but it was as part of a mass banning and due to an event unrelated to my use of the site, so I just emailed the site owner, and told him I was rejoining with the latin version of my original identity, if he had no objections. Although as you can imagine, after witnessing the bad side of web administration, where it appeared the loonies took over the asylum, I got bored soon after.

The veiled but totally unfounded accusation that someone might be doing what you said, is in fact a refined form of, or early stage of internet abuse. I do hope that was not what Paul is engaging in further up this thread. I certainly found the tone of his previous posting went beyond civil debate and veered towards "abusive", garnering him the opportunity to explain my "nonsense" with my post below. (Which he declined, although he's been active here since)

But setting aside the work of what I see as "silly posters" I have really enjoyed the more thought out challenges to the course of action I have chosen for myself, and it has stimulated me to re-examine both the logic, the facts and the psychology that drives my particular choices in this matter.

For those of you, who have made that effort (even those who's understandings challenge my own), I am very grateful. Mark Knopfler nailed the essence of this particular argument, "Two men think they're jesus, one 'em must be wrong!" 

I have strong thought out reasoning laid over a gut feeling about this whole vaccination thing and no one has yet convinced me I am wrong, but so many people shout it out, that I am searching very hard to find a valid reason other than propaganda wrought by the most skilled in the art.

And that at least is a matter of agreed and public record. The government have teams of people working very hard to push this, usiing every means at their disposal for some reason, which, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, either means that they actually believe that you the public are to stupid to make sensible decisions for yourselves when presented with the facts., (are you? I'm not!) or it might suggest that the virus is way more lethal than the actual figures processed correctly (an argument in and of itself, of course) than we are being told.

And that I hope is the last of my long posts for this year. I like doing it, of course, (mostly if I'm not embattled on all fronts which is much rarer on other forums!) but I need to spend less time doing it now. If I'm not back before then, have a very happy Christmas everyone.

(Elsewhere on this forum, I've shared the insights that have won us here a sucession of very peaceful and pleasant christmasses, when it used to be such a stress-filled and horrible time). 

I had to edit it. SO many typos...

Multiple accounts!  

There are good reasons why people have multiple accounts. 

I only have one.  But I also belong to a photography forum where there are many unpleasant people who troll and bully, they have multiple accounts so they can gang up on people they disagree with and support each other.

There may be three or more people agreeing with each other and attacking someone.  In reality it's only one person with three accounts.

Why would anyone have multiple accounts? One keeps you busy enough, surely?

(editted for spelling, somethings you just have to change!)  

What worries me about this approach, is it seems very specific, possibly even "limited in it's scope" and nature does not normally work that way. Is it really possible that one's body only identifies a single aspect of sars cov-19?

With whole virus style vaccinations if possibel adn certainly with naturally acquired immunity it seems that your immune system would get to try all the approaches it has to managing this sort of problem. Or is the spike protein the only possible part of the virus that the immune system can recognise?  

And since I'm given to understand it's always in the virus's interest to mutate to a non-lethal form, sooner or later when that weak version emerges (maybe even this new one), then acquiring natural immunity to Covid-19 will be much safer for all.. Maybe there IS going to be a reasonably quick end to this after all...

I Sperg said:

I see the Mrna as essentially "genetic software",

On 11 January 2020, Chinese researchers published the genetic sequence of the ‘2019 novel coronavirus’. It took just 48 hours for Moderna to finalize the construct of its vaccine, and by February, it was shipped out for clinical trials.

That speed can be credited to the way mRNA vaccines work; it is like injecting a software code into our cells. The mRNA directs the cell to synthesize a protein, in this case the spike protein of the coronavirus, and the protein factory in the cell mass produces it. Our cells, in turn, kick their immune system into high gear, and start producing antibodies. Once this minute amount of injected mRNA is over, the cells stop making that protein, but the immune response persists—to seek and destroy the covid virus if it dares trespass again.

https://www.livemint.com/

I Sperg said:

I confirm your excellent description matches up with my own understanding.

Mark Lynas's excellent description.

Paul said:

What Deepthought said!

What I 'quoted' of Sarah L. Caddy's article.

MRNa won't reprogram my brain, I agree. I confirm your excellent description matches up with my own understanding.

I should perhaps reveal that my own situation makes it far more unlikely that I will get exposed to Covid 19 than most people and theres a near zero chance I'll pass it on, so my main risk is personal injury or death from covid hiding on or in something that is delivered.

Accordingly I believe I present zero risk to greater society and managing my own personal risk has worked for me every well so far in my avergaely long life. In addition I've a basically good immune system and baseline fitness, despiet smoking (which reduces ones risk of contracting covid, appparently the virus finds the tars to be an impediment) and that which does make to my ACE receptors, will find them full of zinc and my system possessing suffficent vitamin D reserves to mount an immediate defence. I trust teh FLCCC protocol more than I trust Dr Fauchi. 

I see the Mrna as essentially "genetic software", and I'd prefer the boffins to get all the "service packs" squared away before I even consider "running it" on MY personal system. The rest of you can be "early adopters" if you like... 

I Sperg said:

For reasons that are not entirely clear to me instead of just filling a syringe with the spike protein (If this is indeed a viable strategy) and bunging it in your arm for your immune system to try and deal with, they instead decided to break out the Crispr kit ( a new technolgy that means that even you adn I can now genetically enineer changes in frogs and other small organisms for about 180$ in yoru kicthen!) and the created a synthetic Mrna compound that makes YOUR cells manufacture the spoke protein. THAT is in cold reality a genetic engineering based "treatment" which is very different form a vaccination, and a very visible example of the dishonesty and hidden agendas that rapidly proving to be more dangerous to our society and way of life than the virus itself. 

First up: mRNA. It won’t reprogram your brain. But it does reprogram some of your cells, in a manner of speaking. And that’s not a defect — it’s intentional.

To get your head around this you need to understand what mRNA is for. Basically, it’s a single-stranded nucleic acid molecule that carries a genetic sequence from the DNA in the cell’s nucleus into the protein factories — called ribosomes — that sit outside the nucleus in the cellular cytoplasm.

That’s what the “m” in mRNA stands for: messenger. Messenger RNA just carries instructions for the assembly of proteins from the DNA template to the ribosomes. (Proteins do almost everything that matters in the body.) That’s it.

This is useful for vaccines because scientists can easily reconstruct specific genetic sequences that encode for proteins that are unique to the invading virus. In the COVID case, this is the familiar spike protein that enables the coronavirus to enter human cells.

What mRNA vaccines do is prompt a few of your cells near the injection site to produce the spike protein. This then primes your immune system to build the antibodies and T-cells that will fight off the real coronavirus infection when it comes.

It’s not hugely different from how traditional vaccines work. But instead of injecting a weakened live or killed virus, the mRNA approach trains your immune system directly with a single protein.

Contrary to assertions made by opponents, it won’t turn you or anyone else into a Genetically Modified Organism. mRNA stays in the cytoplasm, where the ribosomes are. It does not enter the nucleus and cannot interact with your DNA or cause any changes to the genome. No Frankencure here, either.

A variant of the mRNA approach is to go one step back in the process and construct a vaccine platform out of DNA instead. This DNA template — constructed by scientists to encode for the coronavirus spike protein — gets into cells where it is read into mRNA and… well the rest is the same.

You might ask whether this DNA can genetically engineer your cells. Once again, the answer is no. DNA is injected in little circular pieces called “plasmids” — not to be confused with plastics — and while these do enter the nucleus, the new DNA does not integrate into your cellular genome.

https://allianceforscience.cornell.edu/blog/2020/12/yes-some-covid-vaccines-use-genetic-engineering-get-over-it/

"You need to be reported for anti vax nonsense" is what you wrote, "You need to be reported for having an opinion that differs from the mainstream rubbish and daring to speak it!!" is what I read.

And I bet I'm not the only one.

Instead of askng "the authorities" (I.E. someone else) to deal with my clearly unacceptable post, why dont; you try and write a point by point refutation and do the work of opposing the point of view that you can't bear YOURSELF. GO on, illuminate the so-called nonsense within it. We're all here to learn.

There isn't a day goes by that I don't test and review my own position re:this "vaccine". It would be MUCH easier if I could actually trust the supplied numbers but when every death with covid is reported as a death from covid it is a bit harder than I'd like it to be. 

It's easy to make a personally insulting post and run away, have you got the critical thinking skliis required to back up your assertion and convince your audience that my post is, as you say, "nonsense"? 

What Deepthought said!

I Sperg said:

No-one is sure that the advice being given by our leaders is valid, indeed there is a growing body of evidence, that the "vaccinations" are neither a true vaccine that confers any real protection to society in general (doesn't stop acquisition or transmission, just keeps the carriers out of hospital") of indeed harmless.

Few Vaccines Actually Prevent Infection - Here's Why That's Not Actually A Problem

Vaccines are a marvel of medicine. Few interventions can claim to have saved as many lives. But it may surprise you to know that not all vaccines provide the same level of protection. Some vaccines stop you getting symptomatic disease, but others stop you getting infected too.

The latter is known as "sterilising immunity". With sterilising immunity, the virus can't even gain a toehold in the body because the immune system stops the virus entering cells and replicating.

There is a subtle yet important difference between preventing disease and preventing infection. A vaccine that "just" prevents disease might not stop you from transmitting the disease to others – even if you feel fine. But a vaccine that provides sterilising immunity stops the virus in its tracks.

In an ideal world, all vaccines would induce sterilising immunity. In reality, it is actually extremely difficult to produce vaccines that stop virus infection altogether. Most vaccines that are in routine use today do not achieve this.

For example, vaccines targeting rotavirus, a common cause of diarrhoea in infants, are only capable of preventing severe disease. But this has still proven invaluable in controlling the virus. In the US, there has been almost 90 percent of rotavirus-associated hospital visits since the vaccine was introduced in 2006. A similar situation occurs with the current poliovirus vaccines, yet there is hope this virus could be eradicated globally.

https://www.sciencealert.com/few-vaccines-actually-prevent-infection-here-s-why-that-s-not-a-problem-with-covid-19

It's a public forum..... And hey I was just correcting the facts .... And let's be fair nobody not even the scientists know what is going to happen next ..... All we can do is wait and see

Unless you have multiple accounts I was responding to I Spergs post above not you.  Of course it is a choice and with Omicron we are probably all going to get it anyway but I know the vaccines will make the experience mild instead of serious

Hey firstly I'm not antivax- I'm provax but the 90% figure was from DEC2020-July2021 but now it's is different attached is the most upto date chart I could find     

But also let's be real, who really cares along as people are sensible  end of the day you can be vaccinated and still be irresponsible and go around spreading it, data has proven that many times over

You need to be reported for anti vax nonsense - Hospitalised COVID cases in the UK are 90% the unvaccinated and the medical profession is fed up with this rubbish being peddled.  The vaccines are much safer than crossing the road and all you anti vaxers are quite happy to accept medical interventions when you end up in hospital.  Hypocritical BS from the lot of you.

It's circulating way more in the VAXXED! THEY are the silent carriers who don't get any effects, and therefore take zero precautions!! 

An "I'm all right jack" type of attitude being weilded whilst the blame is pushed at the unvaccinated, and the people who engineered the thing will NEVER be called to account. 

This is the first time in human history that the abject failure of a medical treatment has been blamed on the people who did not take it!! It is also teh first time that a mass vaccination campaign has been initiated using an experimental treatment that killed all the animal test subjects too...

They don't teach children critical thinking skills any more, and haven't for a long time. Otherwise there would be some serious unrest going on right now, rather than this maasive and largely unthinking compliance.

"I mean even if you get the vaccine and can fight off the coronavirus, you can still spread the virus to someone in your neighborhood who has not gotten the vaccine and has no immunity to the virus."

If you've taken a true vaccine and it works, yes, you do "fight off the virus", your viral load goes to zero and you don't transmit the virus.to others nor suffer the effects yourself.

IF you've been injected with this novel idea, you don't "fight" the virus at all, you live with it whilst gaily passing it on to others. If those others are vaccinated, they do the same.

If unvaccinated and not possessed with a fully functioning immune system you get the full COVID experience, which might kill or hospitalise you or like the few people I personally know who have been tested postive for covid-19 they reported it feels like you have got a strange variant of the flu, that eventually passes but now you have  NATURAL IMMUNITY, which is considered by many to be a superior form.

And I, for one, haven't lost my trust because of "formal ways of speaking", I've lost my trust because they lie about anything as a matter of course, nowadays and are increasingly rolling out the mechanism to silence any dissenting opinon!!

For me social isolation is now becoming a permanant way of life, together with the increased hygeine and physical health changes required to give me the best chance of either avoiding or defeating this evil creation that was funded by teh very people who are now flip flopping about what works and what does not, who can travel (the elites) and who cannot, (you and me), who can have a job and who cannot. Whether masks work or not.  (They told us the truth at first, they do not, and that's why you need a "lockdown to flatten the curve in two weeks" , then when that didn't work either, suddenly masks were effective again...) 

Personally, I'm less afraid of the virus than I am of being subjected enthusiastically by my society to follw teh dictates orginating from a man who murders puppies by havng sandflies eat their heads, and who is daily being roasted by one brave senator who keeps calling out his lies and malfeasance. It's like being led by Josef Mengele! (The truth about "Dr" Fauchi is out there and beiing collated for all to see who want to know a bit about who is leading this, rather than extending blind trust in authority. The thing about the dogs is utterly sickening)

"Trust but verify" works way better for me than "trust authority blindly and ignore the growning body of conflicting evidence" which seems to be the mainsteam approach to these things.

I just got "triggered" by something one of our members said in another post elsewhere. They were talkiing about advice received form a psychologist and wrote:

"Not sure how accurate his advice was but I never pay attention to dreams ever since his advice".

THAT sums up covid for me.

No-one is sure that the advice being given by our leaders is valid, indeed there is a growing body of evidence, that the "vaccinations" are neither a true vaccine that confers any real protection to society in general (doesn't stop acquisition or transmission, just keeps the carriers out of hospital") of indeed harmless. (fifty times as many footballlers had cardiac events on the pitch last year than in an average year)  YET the vast majority act on it anyway, without question.

If you want hardcore technical information about covid, read the comments section on "zerohedge" which although reputed to be an "Alt-right" website attracts plenty of pugilistic lefties as well. Since ZH is modelled after the concept of "Fight Club" The comments section although having been cleaned up a few years ago, is where "false news" goes to die..

Yes, "fact checkers" websites will show a few examples out of the thousands of informative articles and comments where fake news was peddled to teh readership, but I find it a pleasant break from the "lockstep" fear driven thinking, that's been inflicted on us all by Government sponsored Behavioural Psychologists propaganda, and the mainstream media.  

Heck, google will not allow you to mention Ivermectin at all, even in a private post that no-one you haven't sent the code to, can see! Twitter will now ban you for saying that the "Vaccine" (I've got acess to a microbiologist, and she shares my opinion, this ain't a vaccine they are bunging into nearly everyone's arms) does not stop you from catching covid!.

NOTHING I've said here, is in anyway a "theory" but it, and the evidence sure does point to a "conspiracy".

And the "offical story" keeps changing.

Last year it was widely pushed across all our mainstream media with NO DISSENT ALLOWED that the virus having originated ina Wuhan Bioloical facilty was a crazed conspiracy theory that peopel were being banned form propagating. A couple of days ago our house of lords was briefed that the virus did indeed originate in that lab. 

And:

2 weeks to flatten the curve.

Lockdown is only temporary.

A vaccine has been developed. (It's not a vaccine, in fact they changed the dictionary definition of vaccine to accomodate teh agenda!)

The vax will stop you catching covid.

The vax has an emergency use authoridation because no alternative treatment is available.

Hydroquinone is not a viable or useful treatment for covid-19

Ivermectin is not a viable or useful treatment for covid-19

You will get your normal life priviledges back if you take the vax

You will get your normal life priviledges back if you take the vax again

You will get your normal life priviledges back if you take the "booster shot"

The unvaccinated are the ones spreading the disease. (I for one changed my life so that I don't have to go out and mingle with the real vectors, the poor misinformed dupes who really believe they were injected with something that protects them from catching or transmitting the virus, I.E. a VACCINE.

For what it's worth, the differnce between a real vaccine and this tomfoolery is that a real vaccine contains a whole virus that has been weakened sufficiently that yoru immune system will get adequate time to formulate it's response. The nature of this response differs from person to person, just as we might all be exposed to teh same facts but we deal with them differently. THIS is how nature makes sure that SOME of us at least, will always defeat a novel pathogen. The "vax" however works COMPLETELY DIFFERENTLY, and instead of a whole virus those clever, clever, scientists have decided that all your immune system nees to see to mount an effective response against their manufactured bio-weapon (because that's actually what it is!) is the so called "spike protein".

For reasons that are not entirely clear to me instead of just filling a syringe with the spike protein (If this is indeed a viable strategy) and bunging it in your arm for your immune system to try and deal with, they instead decided to break out the Crispr kit ( a new technolgy that means that even you adn I can now genetically enineer changes in frogs and other small organisms for about 180$ in yoru kicthen!) and the created a synthetic Mrna compound that makes YOUR cells manufacture the spoke protein. THAT is in cold reality a genetic engineering based "treatment" which is very different form a vaccination, and a very visible example of the dishonesty and hidden agendas that rapidly proving to be more dangerous to our society and way of life than the virus itself.