Maybe someone on here might be able to help me understand this.

I've been trying to find out and figure out what the point of getting vaccinated is if the government isn't going to let places open up and and keep delaying the lifting of lockdown restrictions.

They are marketing these vaccines as the way out of all of this but as far as I can see absolutely nothing has changed, vaccine or not we'd all still be under lockdown.

If anyone here know's where to get any info on this I would like to read up on because all I find online is just news articles about the new variant and just current headlines. Not what I'm looking for.

Bit of random post I know but I wanted to ask you because I can't find anything and no one around me has any ideas either

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  • I just got "triggered" by something one of our members said in another post elsewhere. They were talkiing about advice received form a psychologist and wrote:

    "Not sure how accurate his advice was but I never pay attention to dreams ever since his advice".

    THAT sums up covid for me.

    No-one is sure that the advice being given by our leaders is valid, indeed there is a growing body of evidence, that the "vaccinations" are neither a true vaccine that confers any real protection to society in general (doesn't stop acquisition or transmission, just keeps the carriers out of hospital") of indeed harmless. (fifty times as many footballlers had cardiac events on the pitch last year than in an average year)  YET the vast majority act on it anyway, without question.

    If you want hardcore technical information about covid, read the comments section on "zerohedge" which although reputed to be an "Alt-right" website attracts plenty of pugilistic lefties as well. Since ZH is modelled after the concept of "Fight Club" The comments section although having been cleaned up a few years ago, is where "false news" goes to die..

    Yes, "fact checkers" websites will show a few examples out of the thousands of informative articles and comments where fake news was peddled to teh readership, but I find it a pleasant break from the "lockstep" fear driven thinking, that's been inflicted on us all by Government sponsored Behavioural Psychologists propaganda, and the mainstream media.  

    Heck, google will not allow you to mention Ivermectin at all, even in a private post that no-one you haven't sent the code to, can see! Twitter will now ban you for saying that the "Vaccine" (I've got acess to a microbiologist, and she shares my opinion, this ain't a vaccine they are bunging into nearly everyone's arms) does not stop you from catching covid!.

    NOTHING I've said here, is in anyway a "theory" but it, and the evidence sure does point to a "conspiracy".

    And the "offical story" keeps changing.

    Last year it was widely pushed across all our mainstream media with NO DISSENT ALLOWED that the virus having originated ina Wuhan Bioloical facilty was a crazed conspiracy theory that peopel were being banned form propagating. A couple of days ago our house of lords was briefed that the virus did indeed originate in that lab. 

    And:

    2 weeks to flatten the curve.

    Lockdown is only temporary.

    A vaccine has been developed. (It's not a vaccine, in fact they changed the dictionary definition of vaccine to accomodate teh agenda!)

    The vax will stop you catching covid.

    The vax has an emergency use authoridation because no alternative treatment is available.

    Hydroquinone is not a viable or useful treatment for covid-19

    Ivermectin is not a viable or useful treatment for covid-19

    You will get your normal life priviledges back if you take the vax

    You will get your normal life priviledges back if you take the vax again

    You will get your normal life priviledges back if you take the "booster shot"

    The unvaccinated are the ones spreading the disease. (I for one changed my life so that I don't have to go out and mingle with the real vectors, the poor misinformed dupes who really believe they were injected with something that protects them from catching or transmitting the virus, I.E. a VACCINE.

    For what it's worth, the differnce between a real vaccine and this tomfoolery is that a real vaccine contains a whole virus that has been weakened sufficiently that yoru immune system will get adequate time to formulate it's response. The nature of this response differs from person to person, just as we might all be exposed to teh same facts but we deal with them differently. THIS is how nature makes sure that SOME of us at least, will always defeat a novel pathogen. The "vax" however works COMPLETELY DIFFERENTLY, and instead of a whole virus those clever, clever, scientists have decided that all your immune system nees to see to mount an effective response against their manufactured bio-weapon (because that's actually what it is!) is the so called "spike protein".

    For reasons that are not entirely clear to me instead of just filling a syringe with the spike protein (If this is indeed a viable strategy) and bunging it in your arm for your immune system to try and deal with, they instead decided to break out the Crispr kit ( a new technolgy that means that even you adn I can now genetically enineer changes in frogs and other small organisms for about 180$ in yoru kicthen!) and the created a synthetic Mrna compound that makes YOUR cells manufacture the spoke protein. THAT is in cold reality a genetic engineering based "treatment" which is very different form a vaccination, and a very visible example of the dishonesty and hidden agendas that rapidly proving to be more dangerous to our society and way of life than the virus itself. 

  • You need to be reported for anti vax nonsense - Hospitalised COVID cases in the UK are 90% the unvaccinated and the medical profession is fed up with this rubbish being peddled.  The vaccines are much safer than crossing the road and all you anti vaxers are quite happy to accept medical interventions when you end up in hospital.  Hypocritical BS from the lot of you.

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  • You need to be reported for anti vax nonsense - Hospitalised COVID cases in the UK are 90% the unvaccinated and the medical profession is fed up with this rubbish being peddled.  The vaccines are much safer than crossing the road and all you anti vaxers are quite happy to accept medical interventions when you end up in hospital.  Hypocritical BS from the lot of you.

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  • I found myself one on a website ten years ago playing such clearly defined roles, that it did seem appropriate to have an identity for each. However, I made no secret of it, and the other account clearly said this is a sock puppet used by the account xxxx. As would my user profile here, if I ever experience a legitimate need to have a second identity.

    I've only ever been banned from one site in over years of being active on the web, mainly pursuing my scientific interests, but it was as part of a mass banning and due to an event unrelated to my use of the site, so I just emailed the site owner, and told him I was rejoining with the latin version of my original identity, if he had no objections. Although as you can imagine, after witnessing the bad side of web administration, where it appeared the loonies took over the asylum, I got bored soon after.

    The veiled but totally unfounded accusation that someone might be doing what you said, is in fact a refined form of, or early stage of internet abuse. I do hope that was not what Paul is engaging in further up this thread. I certainly found the tone of his previous posting went beyond civil debate and veered towards "abusive", garnering him the opportunity to explain my "nonsense" with my post below. (Which he declined, although he's been active here since)

    But setting aside the work of what I see as "silly posters" I have really enjoyed the more thought out challenges to the course of action I have chosen for myself, and it has stimulated me to re-examine both the logic, the facts and the psychology that drives my particular choices in this matter.

    For those of you, who have made that effort (even those who's understandings challenge my own), I am very grateful. Mark Knopfler nailed the essence of this particular argument, "Two men think they're jesus, one 'em must be wrong!" 

    I have strong thought out reasoning laid over a gut feeling about this whole vaccination thing and no one has yet convinced me I am wrong, but so many people shout it out, that I am searching very hard to find a valid reason other than propaganda wrought by the most skilled in the art.

    And that at least is a matter of agreed and public record. The government have teams of people working very hard to push this, usiing every means at their disposal for some reason, which, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, either means that they actually believe that you the public are to stupid to make sensible decisions for yourselves when presented with the facts., (are you? I'm not!) or it might suggest that the virus is way more lethal than the actual figures processed correctly (an argument in and of itself, of course) than we are being told.

    And that I hope is the last of my long posts for this year. I like doing it, of course, (mostly if I'm not embattled on all fronts which is much rarer on other forums!) but I need to spend less time doing it now. If I'm not back before then, have a very happy Christmas everyone.

    (Elsewhere on this forum, I've shared the insights that have won us here a sucession of very peaceful and pleasant christmasses, when it used to be such a stress-filled and horrible time). 

    I had to edit it. SO many typos...

  • Multiple accounts!  

    There are good reasons why people have multiple accounts. 

    I only have one.  But I also belong to a photography forum where there are many unpleasant people who troll and bully, they have multiple accounts so they can gang up on people they disagree with and support each other.

    There may be three or more people agreeing with each other and attacking someone.  In reality it's only one person with three accounts.

  • Why would anyone have multiple accounts? One keeps you busy enough, surely?

    (editted for spelling, somethings you just have to change!)  

  • "You need to be reported for anti vax nonsense" is what you wrote, "You need to be reported for having an opinion that differs from the mainstream rubbish and daring to speak it!!" is what I read.

    And I bet I'm not the only one.

    Instead of askng "the authorities" (I.E. someone else) to deal with my clearly unacceptable post, why dont; you try and write a point by point refutation and do the work of opposing the point of view that you can't bear YOURSELF. GO on, illuminate the so-called nonsense within it. We're all here to learn.

    There isn't a day goes by that I don't test and review my own position re:this "vaccine". It would be MUCH easier if I could actually trust the supplied numbers but when every death with covid is reported as a death from covid it is a bit harder than I'd like it to be. 

    It's easy to make a personally insulting post and run away, have you got the critical thinking skliis required to back up your assertion and convince your audience that my post is, as you say, "nonsense"? 

  • It's a public forum..... And hey I was just correcting the facts .... And let's be fair nobody not even the scientists know what is going to happen next ..... All we can do is wait and see

  • Unless you have multiple accounts I was responding to I Spergs post above not you.  Of course it is a choice and with Omicron we are probably all going to get it anyway but I know the vaccines will make the experience mild instead of serious

  • Hey firstly I'm not antivax- I'm provax but the 90% figure was from DEC2020-July2021 but now it's is different attached is the most upto date chart I could find     

    But also let's be real, who really cares along as people are sensible Thumbsup end of the day you can be vaccinated and still be irresponsible and go around spreading it, data has proven that many times over