Deep sleep and weird dreams

Now it's cooler at night I'm sleeping really deeply and having some bizarre dreams, even by my standards! The other night my cat Boris and I wandered all over Istanbul!

However I'm still waking up feeling tired and I'm wondering if it's because I'm catching up with proper sleep after being deprived of it since about May, or if I'm exhausted because of the intense dreaming?

  • As a bit of a cross over from what   raises in discussion re: insight into subconscious that may be gained from dreams....

    And  saying "Yep that is weird".

    The "weird sisters" are figures in mythology and literature who represent fate, often portrayed as 3 sisters. In classical mythology, they are the Moirai (Greek) or Parcae (Roman), who spin, measure, and cut the thread of life.

    In Shakespeare's Macbeth, the "Weird Sisters" are three witches whose prophecies influence the main character's destiny, drawing on the Old English word for fate,  "wyrd".

    In Macbeth they are prophesying doom for Macbeth who stole the crown from the rightful king.  :-(

    In a delightful twist to this the author Terry Pratchett has his "Wyrd Sisters" prophecies involve revealing the true king and ensuring that they take their throne from the one who has stolen it. :-)

    In some religious or spiritual traditions dreams are able to pass on divine information and predictions of the future - just like the mythological weird/wyrd sisters do.

    From the "scientific" perspective of psychology and sociology one's drams may be a way of one's subconscious trying to pass on a message to the conscious mind.

    An interesting thought occurs to me as to whether it is necessary to "decode" the dream of its symbolism in order to have its effect on raising things to consciousness and therefore potentially alter behaviour.

    ie. dreaming of a big ship that is about to run one over and thinking, hmmm... maybe I should pay attention to that threat I have been ignoring because my dream is telling me I should.

    or on a more happy basis dreaming of opening a cupboard and finding a treasure and thinking, hmmm... maybe I should pay attention to the opportunities I have been ignoring because my dream is telling me I should. 

    Maybe the dreams we don't remember are all nicely sorted interactions between subconscious and conscious and so we don't need to be aware of them?  Or maybe they are ones we're not ready to be aware of yet?

    My personal experience is that having the dreams that are experienced consciously means that maybe the message hasn't fully been assimilated yet. Maybe because I wake up in the middle of it for one reason or another.  This reason could be being externally disturbed (alarm etc,) or internally - something inside of me wants me to "wake up" to this.

    Plus not having the subconscious message assimilated or "resolved" appears to be the case with some of the dreams which repeat again and again maybe?

    My own observations of this is that people I know quite well have told me dreams and I have been able to "work out" a possible symbolism of their dream based on what I know about them and their circumstances.  I've observed that sometimes when I tell them this it helps explain things and sometimes it doesn't....

    People have to be ready to understand things including their own dreams perhaps.  Maybe this depends upon both their internal and external environment and resources allowing them to realise them?  Maybe this helps one recognise and adjust to or alter one's fate?

    Hehe - maybe it is just weird!  

  • Last night I dreamt that while I was on one of my long countryside walks, I came across a farm with a two headed kitten,  there were around a hundred tourists queuing to see something and it turned out to be a beautiful two headed kitten in a barn.  Nearby, the farm restaurant was doing a rouring trade.

    Then I spent hours trying to catch a bus home.  Then I woke up exhausted.

  • The other night I dreamt that my DiL and I were talking about putting a broom cupboard behind the kitchen door, a place where no cupboard would ever fit, but it seemed so real that when I was woken by the alarm, I was cross because it had rudely interupted me.

  • I seem to have had more dreams again recently and mine are often weird. Sometimes they include a snippet related to something I saw on TV. Sometimes I dream about things from years ago for no apparent reason. 

    One day this week I was particularly tired on waking up and that was when I dreamt a lot. I find that I am more tired when I wake up if I have been disturbed before I have had 4 hours deeper sleep. Maybe dreaming is a bit like a busy day of socializing. 

    I have also noticed recently that I get tired earlier and I presumed that this was due to less light. It is always harder to get up when it is dark too.

  • I don't think it was the real Istanbul, and it was probably because I'd been reading a book based there.

    I need it to be dark and cool if not cold for me to sleep well, summer nights aren't really long enough for me as I seem to need the right amount of evening so as i can sleep properly. I grew up with unheated bedrooms and can't stand sleeping in warm rooms, if I could sleep in the fridge I would.

    I go through phases of intense dreaming, some of it processing the day's events, sometimes something much deeper, sometimes I dream of future events and feel like I'm living backwards, in a constant state of de-ja-vu as what I dreamt happens. Most of it is so boring! Why did I need to have a precognitive dream about buying a tin of beans or something equally mundane? 

  • Psychoanalysis is my special interest, dreams are considered to be hidden messages from your unconscious mind, they need to be "translated" for proper understanding. Maybe doing a bit of research on that could help :) 

  • The feeling tired could be due to the longer hours of darkness, as our brains are wired to feel sleepy when it's dark. I'm going to start setting my Lumie clock to do a sunrise simulation to help me wake up more gently, as I hate suddenly waking up and realising I've slept late - it makes me feel discombobulated.

  • The other night my cat Boris and I wandered all over Istanbul!

    Could it have been astral projecting? If you remember any landmarks then you can use Google Maps street view to see if you recognise the places you have not been to except in your dreams.

    I've seen some surprising evidence of this in the past, but as is often the case, it is really hard to reproduce in a lab environment to confirm it as proof.


  • However I'm still waking up feeling tired and I'm wondering if it's because I'm catching up with proper sleep after being deprived of it since about May, or if I'm exhausted because of the intense dreaming?

    More likely both perhaps - what with the lack of sleep resulting in a greater processing requirement, as   also stated.

    Another perspective is possibly that in remaining awake more than sleeping ~ you might have learnt as it were to be more aware or lucid during sleep ~ and having therefore deeper dreams with greater experiential clarity.


        

  • although more seriously perhaps....   :-)  intense dreams sometimes correlated  with the brain being a lot more stimulated - more stuff going on means more tired but not necessarily by the experience of the sleep but by the reason why the vivid dreams are being experienced if that makes sense?  If there's loads of emotional intensity in them that can be wearisome too.