Empathy

Does anyone else find it really difficult to figure out how much empathy they have, and what empathy even means?

I would like to think that I care about other people - I want to support my friends and family and make them feel happy, I have very strong moral and political convictions about how I should act based on what I believe is best for others, and I absolutely do not want to do anything to hurt anyone. However, often people seem to define empathy as the ability to accurately interpret people's emotions, which I think I (and probably many of you) often struggle with.

I find it very difficult in the moment to understand what people are thinking and feeling based on social cues, body language etc. For example, sometimes in conversation I can infodump about what I'm thinking about before realising that I should probably be asking the other person how they're doing. Sometimes I even do or say things that upset people and only realise this after the fact, but when I do become aware of it I feel devastated. I think in response to this I've developed the habit of worrying constantly about how I'm making other people feel, and I tend to be quite reserved and passive when I'm meeting people out of fear of getting things wrong, but this in turn can put a strain on relationships.

I've taken a couple of different online "empathy tests" and they give very contradictory results - Simon Baron-Cohen's "Empathy Quotient" test in particular gives me a low result "consistent with people on the autism spectrum" whereas other tests give me a fairly high score.

Does anyone else have similar experiences? If you have any advice about what you can do effectively to understand other people better then please let me know. I almost wish sometimes that people could say in simple terms "I am feeling abc and I would appreciate it if you did xyz for me" but I know this isn't always how people behave.

Parents
  • Reading your post I felt like you described my experience. I struggle with reciprocal interactions and only recently realized this is the reason (or one of the reasons) nobody wants to be friends with me. I can’t comprehend how others understand someone’s states or emotions just by looking at them, but in fact I recall many situations where others cought this, but I was the only one (also called stupid) who failed there. I often struggle to understand what is my husband feeling, but I would say it’s a bit easier with people I know good and that are close to me. I also do my best to not hurt anyone, and if someone tells me what I do wrong or what hurts them etc I take it seriously. I always feel guilty if I know I hurt someone. I struggle to differentiate if someone is arguing or joking, I struggle with irony, I react with laugh in stressful situations and I got myself I to trouble few times, social interactions are really mentally exhausting. 
    I don’t know how to actually deal with it. I habe pretty understanding colleagues at work, so when they talk they also look at me to acknowledge my presence although there are differences in communication, I usually don’t talk, get busy with my stuff but it happened also that I took over the whole conversation because they mentioned one of my previous special interest so I info dumped them and nobody was able to interrupt me. I think that maybe it’s not that important to do everything we can to fit the norm, but instead concentrate what we are valued by others for. For being a good listener? For noticing quickly details that changed (new hairstyle) that others don’t notice or do much slower. For not being false to anyone not pretending, not gossiping… I think there are more values that may help us in life. It’s anyway hard to navigate. My awkwardness is not a big issue for me at work because I work in a warehouse, but when I worked on an office, it was hard. 

  • instead concentrate what we are valued by others for.

    Yes.......if we can actually work out what that is, then this is good to know, although it isn't always clear to me WHICH part of me they value?!  I am many different things to many different people (according to what they tell me) ........ and I think we have to be a bit careful not to fall into "people pleasing" and/or "masking" to attain approval, too much!?

    Some people see me as coldly logical, whereas others seem to see me as warm and cuddly - yet I am the same person, just viewed differently.  I find "people" very confusing........but animals are BEAUTIFULLY consistent in their understanding and reactions to me!!

  • Yes, you have a point! So to correct myself - we do have to fit the standard to some degree and many of us find coping strategies. I also get perceived by different people differently, once I’m intelligent, then I’m stupid, too emotional or cold etc. almost always I’m weird. 
    i try to not rely on what people tell me, but on the results where I see results of my actions. So I know I have good attention to details which results with transport damage being reported, with me noticing immediately that someone has new shoes or hairstyle and when i tell them they thank me for noticing and smile etc. I used to be a people pleaser I may still be to some degree I’m not even sure how I stopped. Maybe because I cut off all those people who abused me and didn’t find any new “friends” since then.   

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  • Yes, you have a point! So to correct myself - we do have to fit the standard to some degree and many of us find coping strategies. I also get perceived by different people differently, once I’m intelligent, then I’m stupid, too emotional or cold etc. almost always I’m weird. 
    i try to not rely on what people tell me, but on the results where I see results of my actions. So I know I have good attention to details which results with transport damage being reported, with me noticing immediately that someone has new shoes or hairstyle and when i tell them they thank me for noticing and smile etc. I used to be a people pleaser I may still be to some degree I’m not even sure how I stopped. Maybe because I cut off all those people who abused me and didn’t find any new “friends” since then.   

Children
  • I've got a pretty firm grasp of what I am good at, and what I'm bad at.  I get empirical evidence of such things..... but I don't feel safe to explain further than that, here, these days.

  • Do you also hear from people simply that you’ve done something good? Or that you are good at something? It took me long time snd I’m still not sure what I’m good or bad at. I was always bad at math but yet when it came to the college and logistics I’ve done well, passed with good grades and helped few other colleagues who were going to fail the final exam. I was always told I’m gifted in art and manual stuff yet I failed there so I’m confused and it affects my self esteem too. I try to find what I’m good at in my current situation, but I’m aware of that I’m lucky because I have a job and it’s not damaging me mentally like my previous jobs did and my abilities there are valued and accepted together with my quirks. At work I actually talk only to my colleagues in my team if I have something to say or they ask me something, don’t engage much in group chat and others in the company wonder (I heard recently) if I can speak at all. 

  • Yea...I agree...."weird" is the MOST common adjective used by others to describe me too [if they are actually kind enough to indicate or explain their perceptions of me.....to me!]

    Accordingly, I have chosen to use this term as a self-descriptor.....in order to demonstrate a self-awareness of myself (as perceived by others)......and it generally seems to defuse any "tension" that exists when I meet new people.  Although I know that using the term "weird" could be considered as self-deprecating or self-har ming to some extent......I don't mind, because I know that my generalised prowess in certain other areas (mainly my work) more than compensates for any impression of "deficiency" implied by the term "weird."

    In short......I'm VERY comfortable being called weird......because it is what I am, to a LARGE extent.