List of what is currently wrong with the forum

And the Author of the books surname will not be allowed to be seen.

(It's a simile of Phillip K Bell-End)

Homebird said:

I don't know if it is possible for governments to prevent harmful information

Governments are often good at spreading misinformation themselves.

Think of the Brexit campaign - government led and the lies they told in the guise of information was appalling.

Where it suits their agenda they can be very good at releasing partial or misleading information on a regular basis to make them look less incompetent too.

I think we need a regulator, to at least attempt to try and protect people, especially the young from harmful content, they way that you  can go from inocent to dangerous in so few steps is shocking on many social media platforms and people like Zuckerberg need to step up and clean up thier platforms.

As for this site the members currently online needs fixing it seems waver all over the place.

That is the frustrating thing as I don't know if it is possible for governments to prevent harmful information. My concern is how young people can be protected and fake information causing even more serious problems.

Yes, I agree with that. I am glad I don't use social media and although I have a smart phone I keep to basic Androids. Don't think anyone would want to steal mine even if I did take it out whilst out walking.

I don't think it should be choice of having a spam filter or no spam filter, we need one that actually works and allows people to post perfectly normal and legitmate posts and threads without having to wait in moderation.

The stuff about apple phones giving out the wrong news and meta removing filters in the US at least is worrying and to me bemusing, it makes me feel less like getting a smart phone than ever. My dumb phone is dying and I think I will replace it with another of the same make and model as they still do them.

Time we blocked X and FB in the UK, IMHO.

Having heard the news tonight I am thinking that having a filter on here is better than a well known source of social media which is removing some kind of fake filter and a type of AI being used on some new phones which is sending out incorrect summaries of BBC news. 

SpikeyMark said:

es, but I have seen things that NT's wouldn't believe!

My brain on fire off the shoulder of Asda.

I've watched CeeBeebies when others my age are watching Tanhauser

Brilliant

The original:

"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.

Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion.

I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate.

All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain."

With thanks to Pixiefox too.

Found a better link for a reply I'd posted. Replaced it. Post has been quarantined. Happy Tuesday to me.  

Thank you. I was particularly please with CeeBeebies.

SpikeyMark said:

My brain on fire off the shoulder of Asda.

You just made me spray coffee all over the table!

Excellent contemporisation of the quote.

Yes, but I have seen things that NT's wouldn't believe!

My brain on fire off the shoulder of Asda.

I've watched CeeBeebies when others my age are watching Tanhauser

(This post will make no sense at all to none-Bladerunner fans. Don't even try!)

All these posts will be lost in time - like tears in rain

I meant to write the letter. I wasn't necessarily thinking of you, whoever might be happy to do it really. There might be someone other than me too who might be willing to draft a letter. 

If it's all set down in the contract, then surely a letter including all the things people are complaining about could still be mentioned.

I did get the impression that certain other members were suggesting they would be happy to set up an alternative forum in line with NAS, but this is such a ló g thread now It would be difficult to find the specific posts, and I don't want to put anyone on the spot.

Yep, the moniker comes from BladeRunner. My earlier incarnation Nexus9 got retired, asi couldn't sign in after certain changes that were implemented a few years back. Plus ça change..... 

I certainly agree that we should be kept up to date on whats happening and what is being done to resolve issues. I think it's terrible that so many people are still experiencing problems so many weeks after the so called upgrade. I know we've had xmas and new year and NAS staff have as much right to holidays as everyone else, but now the holidays are over and everyone should be back at work, can we not have at least an update?

Hi Nexus11  (reference to Blade Runner?)

I don't want to put a downer on your ideas, but I'm not sure they can be done.

How would we all sign a letter of complaint?

Who will set up and run this member created forum? Will they be paid or voluntary?

I'm qualified to teach English, but I certainly can't help set up a community forum - I don't have the technical skills. And members who are web designers might not have the time or the inclination.

Plus, NAS will have entered into a contract with the company providing their IT support & spam filter, and won't just be able to cancel it.

I understand where you're coming from, but I don't think it's practical I'm afraid.

Would it be worth getting together to formulate a letter to of complaint to send NAS that could be signed collectively by as many members here as possible?

And then offer to set up a forum that has been designed by form members, to be used by forum members?

I reckon the job can be done on all fronts. We have English teachers, and Web designers on board. 

Lotus said:

They did also apologise again that my posts went into moderation, and thanked me for my patience

Thanks P.

What I'm really really struggling with here is twofold:

1.  Is anyone taking ownership of this massive problem and trying to effect changes?

2.  Either way, will someone who is responsible for the running of the forum (?the 'community manager') take the step to communicate with us (publicly, here on the forum) what the prognosis is for the disease that is now killing the forum?

At least then people would know where they stand - it's bizarre that we are expected to suffer these problems with the added burden of a total lack of knowledge about what is, if anything, being done to remedy it.

Members need to know whether to leave.

I will almost certainly complain directly to NAS (who may know nothing about the problems here) but right now my spoons are low.

Update; I take that back, I think I’ve just received the same email as you Pixiefox