Happy Autistic Pride Day!

I hate 'pride' whatevers .... they are (deliberately) a mechanism to split people apart by identities and maximize differences to create the maximum of division in society.  Those pushing it can then claim to be the saviors of those groups, when they are actually victimizing those groups.

Emphasis should always be on our shared humanity, not 'pride' in immutable characteristics.

Recognition, yes, acceptance, yes ... 'pride' no thanks.

Touay said:

I hate 'pride' whatevers .... they are (deliberately) a mechanism to split people apart by identities and maximize differences to create the maximum of division in society.  Those pushing it can then claim to be the saviors of those groups, when they are actually victimizing those groups.

Sorry you feel this way. I didn’t mean to cause any offence. Autistic Pride Day is just about celebrating who we are as autistic people. 

Sorry AA, I wasn't offended by you.  I am offended by the manipulation of groups such as us by those with ill-intent. Sorry, 'pride' events are not created to celebrate people, they are specifically designed to segregate people.  

Perhaps think of it like this, if 'pride' in immutable characteristics is OK, why is gay pride ok but white pride evil?  the pride mechanism is a tool to pick certain groups to be used by others in order to gain power. You were sold a lie by bad people. ... just think about the type of people who were big into 'pride' of a certain ethnic group in 1930s germany and what that meant for those not in that group.

Could you provide some evidence of what you say here please.

Touay said:

Again, if you want to apologies for the abusive insinuation, maybe we can have an sensible discussion, but if your position is nothing more than, "agree with me or your a bigot" ... you are not someone open to reason.

You are moving the goal posts by false accusation to dodge the responsibility of backing up your claims, Debbie was perfectly polite when she pointed out the burden of proof to you, if you don't have proof just admit it then there is "no harm no foul" you expended so much energy dodging a reasonable request when you could have just provided proof. There is no need to double down being nasty trying to gaslight her about her intentions, falsely claiming someone is being abusive when they are actually being quite reasonable, ironically, is actually abusive.
Also this isn't the first time you have said something hateful to derail someone elses thread and done this verbal dance, so it's not like you can hide your intent through double speak with those of us who were there and remember it.
Change starts with you, if you don't like people being "divisive" then you should work on being less divisive yourself. Our words are not unkind simply because you dislike what we have to say.

I simply asked you to substantiate your comments.

NO, that is not what you 'simply' asked, is it?

Otherwise, it's you who is demonstrating hate, with no substantiation.

IS IT?

Again, if you want to apologies for the abusive insinuation, maybe we can have an sensible discussion, but if your position is nothing more than, "agree with me or your a bigot" ... you are not someone open to reason.

Touay said:

I do not submit to that form of social coercion and abuse

Touay said:

you are simply going to make abusive false accusations ... this is how you can know you are in an abusive cult.

I simply asked you to substantiate your comments.

The above reaction looks like projection to me.

"i will celebrate all individuals for whoever they are, and celebrate our shared humanity."

I notice you chose to omit that I wrote that...

I understand the technique of "If anyone disagrees with me I will call them a bigot to silence them" is very effective, but I do not submit to that form of social coercion and abuse.

If you want to have an argument on the merits of the points, great, but if you are simply going to make abusive false accusations ... this is how you can know you are in an abusive cult.

Touay said:

I'm sorry, but 'the movement' as it currently stands is explicitly intended to maximise division and hate. 

Touay said:

the purpose of 'pride' as it is used by the left is to maximise division and create hatred.

Touay said:

the socialists who are pushing it are doing so for EXACTLY the same reason as the 1930s german socialists.

Could you provide some evidence of what you say here please.

Otherwise, it's you who is demonstrating hate, with no substantiation.

Its sad that we cannot have a discussion on these issues as the spam filter has a hair-trigger.

Despite the movement their is still plenty of prejudice and bigotry around, sadly.

I'm sorry, but 'the movement' as it currently stands is explicitly intended to maximise division and hate. 

And yes, the socialists who are pushing it are doing so for EXACTLY the same reason as the 1930s german socialists.

It is not about pride in yourself, which is one thing, but pride immutable characteristics ...  that is the very definition of exclusionary.

So we end up where gay can be proud, but straights cannot, women can be proud, but men cannot, blacks can be proud, but whites cannot, arians can be proud but jews cannot .... and so on ... the purpose of 'pride' as it is used by the left is to maximise division and create hatred.

i will celebrate all individuals for whoever they are, and celebrate our shared humanity, but I will NEVER fall into the deception that is 'pride' because I am not going to be the people in the crowd with their arms out-stretched .... I am the guy who sees this for what it is and my are will remain folded ... no matter the cost to me.

Despite the movement their is still plenty of prejudice and bigotry around, sadly.

I'm sorry, but 'the movement' as it currently stands is explicitly intended to maximise division and hate. 

And yes, the socialists who are pushing it are doing so for EXACTLY the same reason as the 1930s german socialists.

It is not about pride in yourself, which is one thing, but pride immutable characteristics ...  that is the very definition of exclusionary.

So we end up where gay can be proud, but straights cannot, women can be proud, but men cannot, blacks can be proud, but whites cannot, arians can be proud but jews cannot .... and so on ... the purpose of 'pride' as it is used by the left is to maximise division and create hatred.

i will celebrate all individuals for whoever they are, and celebrate our shared humanity, but I will NEVER fall into the deception that is 'pride' because I am not going to be the people in the crowd with their arms out-stretched .... I am the guy who sees this for what it is and my are will remain folded ... no matter the cost to me.

Could you provide some evidence of what you say here please.

Touay said:

Again, if you want to apologies for the abusive insinuation, maybe we can have an sensible discussion, but if your position is nothing more than, "agree with me or your a bigot" ... you are not someone open to reason.

You are moving the goal posts by false accusation to dodge the responsibility of backing up your claims, Debbie was perfectly polite when she pointed out the burden of proof to you, if you don't have proof just admit it then there is "no harm no foul" you expended so much energy dodging a reasonable request when you could have just provided proof. There is no need to double down being nasty trying to gaslight her about her intentions, falsely claiming someone is being abusive when they are actually being quite reasonable, ironically, is actually abusive.
Also this isn't the first time you have said something hateful to derail someone elses thread and done this verbal dance, so it's not like you can hide your intent through double speak with those of us who were there and remember it.
Change starts with you, if you don't like people being "divisive" then you should work on being less divisive yourself. Our words are not unkind simply because you dislike what we have to say.

I simply asked you to substantiate your comments.

NO, that is not what you 'simply' asked, is it?

Otherwise, it's you who is demonstrating hate, with no substantiation.

IS IT?

Again, if you want to apologies for the abusive insinuation, maybe we can have an sensible discussion, but if your position is nothing more than, "agree with me or your a bigot" ... you are not someone open to reason.

Touay said:

I do not submit to that form of social coercion and abuse

Touay said:

you are simply going to make abusive false accusations ... this is how you can know you are in an abusive cult.

I simply asked you to substantiate your comments.

The above reaction looks like projection to me.

"i will celebrate all individuals for whoever they are, and celebrate our shared humanity."

I notice you chose to omit that I wrote that...

I understand the technique of "If anyone disagrees with me I will call them a bigot to silence them" is very effective, but I do not submit to that form of social coercion and abuse.

If you want to have an argument on the merits of the points, great, but if you are simply going to make abusive false accusations ... this is how you can know you are in an abusive cult.

Touay said:

I'm sorry, but 'the movement' as it currently stands is explicitly intended to maximise division and hate. 

Touay said:

the purpose of 'pride' as it is used by the left is to maximise division and create hatred.

Touay said:

the socialists who are pushing it are doing so for EXACTLY the same reason as the 1930s german socialists.

Could you provide some evidence of what you say here please.

Otherwise, it's you who is demonstrating hate, with no substantiation.