Feeling like a savant and worries of delusion of grandeur

I feel like a savant based on my restricted interests, is this normal? I don't mean to sound like I have delusion of grandeur, but that is this core symptom of ASD that I experience.

I am sorry for being worried that I have delusion of grandeur, some people will think how insane I am if I tell them that I am ten times more intelligent than them.

That is why it is very hard to tell the difference between restricted interests and Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

I am sorry that I said that, but some symptoms of ASD looks very similar to NPD by observation.

  • Might I suggest to pick up a quick book on symbolic Logic at the Library? They're sometimes in the Reference Sections. This should help sort some of what you might be trying to explain here :) 

  • Arghhhh bloody Spock.... Like being referred to as 'like Sheldon, or Rain man" these utter simplifications give people an idea of what they are dealing with and switch off any opportunity to understand the different nuances between autistic people!Wink

  • Yeah I agree, there's definitely people out there who thinks faster than others. I've known a person who talks really fast, and I remember a time when my brain was just beginning to form a sentence, and they have already blurted the sentence out, and it was exactly what I was thinking. So their mind processes information really fast, enough for them to already think and say an entire sentance, before my brain could even form a sentence and chain words together.. 

    But I have to imagine how frustrating it must be, to be surrounded by such slow talking people (like myself), and I wonder if it's as if time slowed down, and people are slurring their words. It must make conversations unbearable. And I can't imagine how much more slower they would be if they were also intoxicated and slurring their words. 

    I think that when people are online, they can read the information as fast or as slow as they would like, so unless they've been around you and saw how fast you are in real life, they might not understand it. But I sincerely hope that you put those Sherlock Holmes skills to good use in some field that would benefit from it. 

  • I replied without any derogatory remarks and delivered something VITAL to the community yet that comment was immediately flagged by someone and deleted as abuse? Life saving insight was abuse????? That emotionally charged response was in full violation and hypocrisy of all basic tenants of our community. Full violation.

    Please be consistent in your bias and delete my first comment as well, I sure won't do it for you.

  • the thing with personality disorders is that they pretty much all look very similar, which is why diagnoses is hard and is often wrong and anyone can be any of the disorders 

  • Utterly agree.. Musn't upset the NT or they'll leave us out!

  • Disagree, I KNOW I think much faster than others and come up with ideas very rapidly because my friends and family tell me so.  Most of the time I need to throttle back to fit in.  For shapes, colours and materials I'm like the recent depiction of Sherlock where I look at something and can analyse how its made and constructed in a split second.  I have to count to 10 after thinking of a solution to a problem (Or many solutions) so I don't upset the old NT's by reacting so quickly, and therefore stand out too much.  Have had to learn to use phrases like "Is it like"  "Have you considered" "Seems to me" etc because when I say THIS IS THE SOLUTION in a split second they get annoyed!

  • I sometimes think like that, then discover the NT's don't want that depth of knowledge and intensity of focus on a subject!  Once won 3 pints of beer for being able to speak about any subject (They chose frogs) for ten minutes non stop..  Can't do office politics though where the size of your wheels on your BMW seems to equate to your intelligence and social standing, ironically I believe the exact opposite of that!

  • Intelligence as a concept only exists when two minds are compared with each other. If you could visually see those abstract concepts represented it would be pretty funny. Neurotypicals have good reason to look at the typical autist and see stupidity. Their reasons are equally valid to autistic people looking at the average neurotypical and seeing stupidity.

  • I'll try to explain some things. Logic is not truly a thinking style, it's only an element of abstract and concrete thoughts. What truly matters is the number of perspectives someone can hold and manipulate. Within your chosen interest you might be able to navigate that universe with incredible speed but that's just one universe and you aren't acting with intelligence. Neurotypicals might be able to focus less on one universe and are therefor detached from the deepest Logic yet there is a reason for that, they are juggling MANY universes at the same time and they live to monitor and  control the interactions between those perspectives/universes. They are creating meaning in the gap between concepts rather than finding meaning in one concept and in for that they use the most difficult and complex concept that exists, the self. That's why most neurtypicsls see what you are doing and deem you to be less than them or stupid.

    The real mark of intelligence is the ability to simultaneously hold two or more ideas that conflict with each other at the same time in your mind. That is rare among everyone and lends itself to "quality of thought." Allows multidimensional accuracy aka reality. Logic is not reality, it can be bent and broken.

    You are not 10 times smarter than anyone. You are not processing 10 times more than anyone. It's an illusion of the ego because in a special interest there exists a density of "meaningful" information all in one big chunk.

  • Cool. Fascinating, in fact. Ever want give us a lecture, I'm listening for one.  Relax. You have a great contribution to make to the planet 'cos skills and knowledge like that something humanity needs. You have no delusions of grandeur that I can see, just a skill set to give for the benefit of us all.

  • I'm told a lot of people with Aspergers end up in the medical fields.

  • I think the very fact you are asking the question, worrying about it and apologising for even thinking about it, probably testifies to the fact you are not a self entitled narcissist. I doubt someone with actual delusions would even question it.

    Sounds more like you are a very bright person with some special interests you have a very, very deep knowledge of.  What are they, out of interest? Don't feel obliged to answer, I'm just being nosey, lol.

  • Those are interesting, I will read those right now. Thanks!

  • Also, remember, sometimes Neurotypical Tribalism is all about echoing back a thing which feels out of context and odd and No One will remember 3 years from now. Except us. We will remember especially if we become momentarily invested in unearthing the truth and clarity and smoothing out the idiosyncratic bits. 

    For instance, one big trend right now is 'imposter syndrome' - everyone is saying it as if they mean it and they don't. It's just the 'flavour phrase' of 2021-22. I first heard it ages ago from a doctor who had to make life and death calls, and that seemed appropriate. But actually it's used instead of saying "I feel immature" or "I have so much to learn" or "I don't feel like I fit in". It simply Virtue Signals from one NT to the next a pretence of Vulnerability. Because they are not impacted as intensely as Autistics, they will always need some phrase to echo back and forth which is really saying "I'm trustworthy and being open". Even if they're not. No one will remember this 10 years from now, they'll be a new phrase. So any time invested in to helping them see how much correction they need with this phrase is entirely useless. Best to intentionally withhold these wonderful critiques and write an essay for your autistic friends which will be remembered and engaged with. 

    (yes I somewhat said some NTs have the memory of a goldfish, and some of my NT friends don't apparently mind this in the least!) Ahhhh!

  • If I do a search for any of these topics I've listed below, which help us with a more diplomatic approach, there will be a wealth of sites and books out there. I've found a few links, but you may be able to find more.

    The first goal of Diplomacy is getting beyond a survival mode, which can make us reactionary and unaware of our limitations. Sometimes others need a bit of kindness and help even wanting to get up to our level. How to inspire this rather than repel another?

    Sometimes an immediate emotional response - feeling right or justified or even impatient, can blind us to the other being just... mortal. The goal isn't to win or bash someone over the head with an encyclopaedia but to connect and help them be as excited about sharing and the finding the truth as we are. 

    Finally, Knowing When to speak and When Not to speak is also important. And if it even matters to the other. In the end, no one wants to feel dismissed or disregarded or humiliated! Affording dignity is a good quality to aspire to. 

    Basic tips: https://kidshealth.org/en/teens/tips-disagree.html

    https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20200930-how-to-politely-and-productively-disagree 

    Diplomacy Skills: https://www.theschooloflife.com/article/how-to-be-diplomatic/

    Being reasonable about our own weaknesses https://www.fastcompany.com/3026105/the-importance-of-finding-and-facing-your-weaknesses 

    Being Open to growth: https://www.lifehack.org/861739/17-ways-to-develop-a-growth-mindset 

    Ideally, we can be charitable, respectful and critical of our own possible cognitive bias. This sort of being is the kind where someday you become the friend everyone looks to for The Answer like the tribal Sage everyone eventually seeks out for a bit of knowledge. 

  • Unwritten rules for social interaction... yes, just like there are written rules for how to conduct meetings as a chair person, for example ABC of Chairmanship by the 1st Baron Citrine.

  • Is there something you could point us to on Rules to Diplomacy please?

  • For everyone, it's all about how the information is conveyed. This is not an easy skill, but there are Rules to Diplomacy which can be found and consciously utilised. Always minding being Respectful, one can sometimes also ask the other "how best can I communicate information"? 

    I've had difficulty with this too as the only thing I am completely certain of is that I'm certain of nothing and oddly this comes across as being 'certain of everything' LOL