Constructive euphemisms?

The usual deal is, of course, that you try to tell someone what you have recently discovered for yourself , and you get back the standard, " We're all a bit  *****". I personally can't think of a single case when it has really helped me for someone to say that; except perhaps when admitting it to myself or the diagnostician/assessor. So how could we phrase it some other way to disarm that reaction before it even begins to happen. I've taken, online, to just calling myself ''a bit slow''; as in 'Well, you know me, I've always been a bit slow off the mark". That does have a certain grain of truth in it, in my case; and I just sort of figure that their reaction is either then going to be something like, 'Well, I suppose I have might just have similar issues myself", or they are going to clam up completely, to avoid feeling uncomfortable.

You know, when you are young, nearly everyone one believes it is their god-given right to be completely and devastating candid about what they think YOUR problem is; while the exact same people when older will basically backpedal on all the scorn they offered you in your younger years. In their rush to be the quickest off the mark in the monetarist olympics of life, I can't really imagine anyone really wanting to say, "Well, we are all a bit slow sometimes''. And yet in my case, there is a grain of truth in it.

I've also been trying out 'neural damage'; as I can see how it might well have happened as a result of childhood sickness; and I have no real compunction about saying this about myself; why worry yourself about those fairly neutral words when the damage was obviously done decades ago. And I doubt whether too many people would then wish to contest such a blunt statement by citing a few of their own minor neurological issues.

But how about other 'alt' ways to relabel your life as something just a little bit different from the much maligned ASD/Asperger's thing? I'm just wondering if someone here might be able to come up with some real scorchers, to hex the  "We're all a bit  *****" bs; something that will make the listener go away for a while and ponder why you didn't come straight out with some stereotyped label that they could instantly and easily be dismissive of. I look forward to perhaps trying a few of your suggestions out; almost anything would be better that the complete silence that usually follows  "We're all a bit  *****".

But seriously, I can see myself enjoying this. I have found the ''a bit slow'' label a fairly constructive one, over the decades. It is something that can be later elaborated on, at length; or it can get people wondering why you didn't immediately use one of the more current 'labels'.

But I also wouldn't be too surprised if some folk think this is a dreadful idea. I'd still like to hear why! :-) If so, how else could one disarm the usual hackneyed NT response? I think I'm looking more for cheerful strategies, rather than sullen upheaval.

  • It's precise enough for my life. I would never expect it to be exactly right for other people's chosen lives.

  • Basically, the quickest way to justify my own choice of a low-key way of life. I wouldn't really need to justify it if no one ever really disapproved of that choice. But they often go out of their way to disapprove of it; even though I mostly try to avoid getting into situations that might provoke disapproval. And I suppose that my own dissatisfaction is mostly with their need to disapprove. Why can't they accept that some people deliberately choose a low-risk life as a means to cope with their own perception of their own shortcomings? Especially as I find time and time again that things work out better for me when I figure out my own approach, and learn from my own mistakes. When some authorities say that we learn from our mistakes, I take that viewpoint very seriously. It seems I need to work through the process of being successful (in my own terms) by finding my own way through the usual difficulties. But I also believe in taking my time in order to consider the different approaches taken by other people; but not under any intense duress from those same people to do things exactly the same way as themselves. And yes, it can be a slow process; although sometimes quicker in the longer term. 

    I suppose my rather convoluted job history makes it fairly clear that this life in the slow lane is not really appreciated by most people who believe themselves to be highly dynamic. Oh well, there's always someone else who IS prepared to work at breakneck speed; and they deserve the break! I have continued to look for a suitable career for myself, and without any expectation of being paid well, and with multiple benefits. I have long lived within a comparatively low level of remuneration; one which I believe will be fairly sustainable under 'new normal' conditions.

    I now feel it is not necessary for me to ever reveal my self-identification and  my assessments. It has been clearly indicated to me that the A word is not one that most people ever want to hear, so I see no reason why I shouldn't find other ways to describe the way I prefer to run things. and yet I have found numerous ways to adapt to other people's preferred conduct, and to learn from their examples.

  • Yes, thank you, 180 Slight smile  I offered the maxim below as a solution.

    Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter, don't mind. — Dr. Seuss 

  • Basically: quickest way to explain autism 

  • It’s true I’m slow about somethings unless I’m interested in them.

    in that sense it seems somehow right but not precise enough to say a bit slow.  

  • Well, it tends to be more 'militarised' here; although that is not such a huge difference, given that people in uniforms usually either run a business simultaneous with their service, or as a follow-up. And we are talking about large organisations.

    However, perhaps we should now be getting back a bit to the thorny issue of how best to declare, or not declare, one's issues/disorders/conditions; especially as we are perhaps looking into means by which some form of subversion of NT mores can take place. It's not that I necessarily feel that I need to resort to drastic measures, but I do believe a very different approach is necessary.

  • We're all subject to surveillance now, Senor. Even the suspicion that one has gone off-message from the authorised global narrative is proof enough of the crime of 'disinformation'.

    Each and everyone of us is now only one comment, one opinion, or one website hit away from being denounced as dangerous extremists—undesirable elements—who must be punished socially, economically and psychologically.

    Because we now live in privatised societies controlled by Corporations, the only freedom any of us still enjoy is the “freedom" to consume.

  • Well, Px was just given as an example of a (perhaps) similar form of abbreviation, with no particular significance being attached to its use. It was suggested by a local shrink that I might want to do a few anti-Ds. That was not an idea I favoured at all. I could see that he might be attempting to shut down any debate. Having survived for decades already without Ritalin, I much prefer internal and external dialogue to meds. 

  • They're different. Diagnostic would be the identification/classification of a 'disability' or brain wiring. I've not seen Px (except as a religious symbol) but pharmaceutical would then be a drug or some kind of medicine prescribed for the brain wiring (like weed for Exec Function or steroids for ADHD - not endorsing either just giving an example!) Night!

  • Is Dx health & wellbeing short-hand, in much the same way that the abbreviation Px is used to indicate anything pharmaceutical? (That's enough tonight; sleep calls.)

  • She probably believes that if we 'slow-processing' people have any so-called common sense left, that we should ditch any notion that we might be autistic at the point at which we become adults. Childhood autism is almost considered cute in this culture; whereas adulthood autism is no longer admissible when it might lead to 'face'-losing comparisons between the behaviour of ordinary citizens and the behaviour of certain higher status individuals.  So adult indulgence of youngsters tends to end at about 18, when future adults either need to shape up, ship out or sit pretty - entirely dependent on parents or rellies.

    The above is all deliberately vague. There are some volunteer ultra-nationalist nerds, in my locale, who attempt to read outgoing posts, looking for the supposed 5th column. Their English is usually not so good. But that's a two-edged sword! It can mean they either get it dangerously right when there is some sort of critique involved, or they can dangerously misunderstand even positive comments. But of course, that doesn't apply to anyone who doesn't live here; so outsider comments are not necessarily a problem.  My guess is they mostly skip reading long posts anyway; or just search for keywords. Blocking of sites abroad is not unknown. I deliberately avoid overtly political comments; and take no local side.

  • Ah right - dx = diagnosis. What else am I being a bit nebulous with!

    It's always nice to be allowed to rephrase/redesign how I'm communicating. 

  • I'm a long-term Brit expat. To be honest, JFG, I'm struggling a bit with some of your terminology. What's dx, for instance? But I suppose I'm getting the gist, overall.

  • Out of curiosity, are you American? (gathering from my use of apology, meant more in the UK 'Ah - I left this bit out' rather than the US 'submission under'. haha)

  • Actually - thinking about this, I then stumbled into one of my Facebook forums and the 2 admins who are incredibly NT both described themselves as ND because they escaped social norms/coding and either affiliate with a different gender or have alternate sexual preferences...or...are... Vegan. One even suggested to the ADHD female who was asking for PRACTICAL executive functioning tools, that she should take time to deal with the emotional suffering and grievance of her dx. Ugh.

    I then felt the need to work out what I think I may know so was peeling through https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurodiversity and will at some point maybe attempt to address this ableist 'tribal' view of what might appear as a trend, where everyone suddenly wishes to be ND as if it were some exclusive club. 

    I think you're spot on! The issues we seem to always encounter are those of being misrepresented and misunderstood. It could be helpful to view the difference between NeuroAtypical as not typical in the current social construct by interests and desires, and being Neurodivergent - being disabled within societies framework. The only issue to run up against is where oppression exists within society, which is better suited through a course in Ethics perhaps. 

    The problem here seems to me that NTs will just identify with (or Virtue Signal) without even knowing or understanding the complexity and the further insult to injury they're adding. From what I've read it's mindless tribal behaviour from the fear/language Lobe (not using tech terms on purpose.) 

  • Don't worry, Senor. I'm not good at reading facial expressions, but I've developed 'spidey senses' when it comes to capturing the good or bad vibes that someone is transmitting to me (beyond their mere words). I'm sorry to hear that about hour wife. Why does she deny autism in adults? Does she think it resolves itself during maturation? I'm the same, I'm only bitten once, never twice. 

  • It just occurred to me that I might fare better with my admissions if I were to speak about my beliefs in some aspects of neurology, psychology and philosophy; as you have done so well above.  I might then deal more with affiliations, rather than afflictions. And afflictions have a pretty poor press these days; unless you can afford to/want to share them with an 'adoring' public; like a few infamous populists we all know. 

    I do have a few such affiliations already on the go. but at the moment, I tend to philosophise so much by myself that there isn't too much room to be reading the thoughts of more learned others. And I won't be discarding the euphemisms just yet either. I have been endeavoring to improve my affiliations/network recently, both here and in the UK. But the current parlous state of global politics, and the effects of COVID-19 lock-down are together creating a deafening silence amongst experts on adulthood autism/neurodiversity - in the region where I now live, at least.

    Something in the politics here is obviously feared, but there is no real external evidence as to why that fear exists. I believe I might have hit on some of the reasons why this is happening, but I am not about to voice an opinion that might jeopardise my existence here.

    But there's something else. Locally, there are only really experts on childhood autism. Those specialists appear to be making very little effort to develop their expertise into the realms of older autistics, as their existing younger audience begins to approach adulthood. Specialists are usually a respected group here, but I'm guessing that they usually prefer to keep that respect intact; especially with the politicians who tower over them. In other words, such specialists are very aware that they lack the power to mount any ethical challenges to the ways & means of the current set-up. Walls have ears, so it is easier for specialists to stick to only what they currently know & do well. By thus not really engaging with the adult autistic population, they are avoiding any potential for conflict with political reactionaries.

    (No need to apologise JFG, as you have just given me something else to enjoy pondering; as lock-down relief.) 

  • I've used the Linux vs PC often! 

    As for Freud, I've been studying Deleuze and Guattari for years, quite the antithesis of Freud but a few Fruedian concepts are excellent (no need to throw the baby out with the bathwater). Apologies! I didn't mean to create labels, just expose basic social systems. Oedipalisation is seen in the exchange of individuals who operate out of guilt and debt within society (most everyone) and Sublimiation is just a basic sub-conscious redirection of 'desire', a process which actually has use in creating mature individuals functioning within society! It can keep NTs from becoming criminals for example. 

    The neurology of this has to do with the Lobe we're working out of to reason. It appears Autists may be using the back part of the brain and other parts, "bypassing" somewhat, the language and fear/feeling lobe to make calculations. This is some of the research I've come across. Thus, it may take me a little while or years to work out how I felt about a thing. This also means I'm less susceptible to adverts which use fear-based reasoning or provocative reasoning or social nuanced 'virtuous' language to collect consumers. 

  • Interesting comments there, JFG.

    Well, I suppose there could be some mileage then in going along with some of the encoding that 'they' do actually have a quite a grip on. They should be able to figure out stuff like 'different wiring' and 'operating on LINUX rather than WINDOWS'.

    I would prefer to refrain from psycho-analytical labeling for NTs. I see myself more as a somewhat botched & bungled 'engineer' type, than a follower of Freudian mythology. (But then, when you've seen one ..... , you've seen just one.) I definitely don't expect my bodged brand of reasoning and my choice of euphemisms to suit anyone else here. I can enjoy other people's choice of words, without any particular desire to say it quite the same way for myself.

    A more neurological approach would suit me fine. I look forward to a few brain scans in my old age. But I will refrain from all the current comment on Imposter Syndrome. It certainly rings a few bells in my imagination, but I'm also getting a bit fed up with it cropping up too often in the tabloids.

  • No sarcasm intended here, I paranoically hasten to add! Yes, familar ground. They might fool me once or twice, and I'll let them get away with it. Thereafter they won't find much comfort in talking to thin air. That, of course, is anti-social. But hell, I enjoy it that way, anyway. ... Most of the time. My partner is probably an even more extreme version of that reproach. That suggests to me that she might also be somewhere on the aloof scale. Like persons attract and all that jazz. But as she is also totally committed to completely denying adulthood autism, it is highly likely we will continue to create sparks until demise do us part. We're well-suited.