Narcissism Vs Autism

alot of autistic people think they are smarter than others, which sorta makes them appear narcissistic.
hell in college i knew a diagnosed autist, funny enough the guy i immediately got along with.... but yeah he was always a bit of a braggart on knowledge, which his things he came up with wernt really very high knowledge but the rest of the people in the class must have been dumb anyway as they was impressed even though i clearly spotted this knowledge he spouted in particular actually came from pokemon lol

Caelus said:

alot of autistic people think they are smarter than others

This is one of a Multitude of NT perspectives which create significant problems for Autistic Individuals.

In my experience, Autistic individuals feel frustration that others cannot understand or sense what they are understanding or senseing. From an Autistic perspective, it's unusual to View another in this Very Specific Neurotic / NeuroTypical manner: as if intellect is a form of competition. Competition in this case refers to weighing one persons abilities over anothers or a set of others. 

In the US, it is remarkable just how easy one might confuse a lack of discipline, a recklessness or a lazy approach to society (which in many ways is Rewarded). If you annunciate, you are frowned upon. If you use 'clever' language you are ridiculed. If you are too tailored you are shunned or patronized. 

All these societal 'manners' (or lack thereof) can be taken on by autistic individuals, but without the natural ability to join herd mentalities, and then attempts to be part of society or act/speak/dress in the same manner leave the autsitc individual seemingly even more uneducated or on the fringe. 

It is well known Autistic individuals actually Attract Narcissists because they are seemingly so easy to Manipulate. 

While yes, having SOMEthing one can feel they have a little control over and approval for (intellect, in this case) will feel a bit more grounding than being subjected to never quite getting a thing right (socials skills, language, etc.) that is still entirely different than utlising competition or domination or power over others. 

Caelus said:

alot of autistic people think they are smarter than others

This is one of a Multitude of NT perspectives which create significant problems for Autistic Individuals.

In my experience, Autistic individuals feel frustration that others cannot understand or sense what they are understanding or senseing. From an Autistic perspective, it's unusual to View another in this Very Specific Neurotic / NeuroTypical manner: as if intellect is a form of competition. Competition in this case refers to weighing one persons abilities over anothers or a set of others. 

In the US, it is remarkable just how easy one might confuse a lack of discipline, a recklessness or a lazy approach to society (which in many ways is Rewarded). If you annunciate, you are frowned upon. If you use 'clever' language you are ridiculed. If you are too tailored you are shunned or patronized. 

All these societal 'manners' (or lack thereof) can be taken on by autistic individuals, but without the natural ability to join herd mentalities, and then attempts to be part of society or act/speak/dress in the same manner leave the autsitc individual seemingly even more uneducated or on the fringe. 

It is well known Autistic individuals actually Attract Narcissists because they are seemingly so easy to Manipulate. 

While yes, having SOMEthing one can feel they have a little control over and approval for (intellect, in this case) will feel a bit more grounding than being subjected to never quite getting a thing right (socials skills, language, etc.) that is still entirely different than utlising competition or domination or power over others. 

ehhhhh i might be too dumb to work that out tbh lol

so you buy a cheap place you can find and get a mortgage on it and rent it out or something? so you get money back that you paid for it from the mortgage then the rental income pays off the monthyl repayments or something so its basically free asset maybe?

hmmm i always doubt i can get any type of loan mortgage thing anyway as i have no job and never done any credit thing so my credit is probably average, oh wait i pay phone contracts so that will boost it i guess. just need a job then for a mortgage.

But that's not how it works - it's actually cheaper to buy if you can get a low enough interest rate.

I know someone who bought the cheapest thing possible to rent out - the mortgage was interest only - they paid well below rental price each month while the property increases in value-  while they live at home.     

The concept is that the parents may as well help them on the housing market by charging no rent - after all, when they die, it all goes to him anyway - so it's a tax-efficient way of shifting assets without the tax man stealing it..

Eventually, when he earns a higher salary, he can remortgage the first and buy another.

It's all fake money anyway.

oof, 1 million is something that a lifetime worth of work wont even cover, considering average wage is 12k or 14k per year and no one ever pays more than the bare minimum for anything, thats like 100 years of work and absolutely no spending at all in order to just get a roof over your head lol this needs to change, society cannot be like this. its gotta give at some point and completely collapse or end in chaos or rebelion.

Very few people are in their ideal location-  around here, a Victorian 2-bed terrace is over £1/2M so it's impossible to get started -  but it's all about cutting one's cloth.

probs would again require relocation lol
god knows why my ancestors picked wigan, probably because its a mining town, but feck all here lol even wales in the middle of nowhere has more opportunities than this. not to mention cheaper houses that you can actually possibly afford after 10 years of work rather than needing 100 years.

Caelus said:

something like a hiking camping tour guide

But you can easily make yourself the top applicant by picking up easy certificates like advanced first aid - if you think about what could go wrong, the more you can deal with problems and emergencies, the more you can pull the company out of the court case. 

There must be a local scout group that you can help out with - it's experience  and selflessness that catches people's eye.

did think of that, but due to where i live anything like that would require a relocation.
something like a hiking camping tour guide would be cool lol a job thats pretty much just hiking and wild camping in nice places aha these type of privileged jobs though are rare and everyone fights for them. not very lucky on getting picked for anything, which makes me feel locked out of any job really, the guy thats always looked over or picked last is the guy that will never get job in this world in which 1000 people are going for each job.

Have you considered looking for a land management type of job?

I have a friend who lives almost like a hermit on the Duke of something's land - he's on benefits because of PTSD and a breakdown - but he does gentle work there to improve the land and generally tidy the grounds.    He loves it.

yeah, if i win the lottery and buy a private woodland 1000 miles from civilisation and the hordes of idiot human population and have a nice cabin to live in there. but never gonna happen, plus if it did happen its not that easy for civilisation follows you as ted kazynsky tried and found out himself, housing developers would just destroy everything around your land and make cities all around you. cant get any peace in this greedy world.

not sure about thought, i generally think afterward, such as the other topic that got locked in which i thought for the entire night and day and came up with a rebuff to the whole ethics argument and pointed out the flaw in it based on thought and research lol ...when i think, i think long and hard, and i dont stop, it isnt there and then snap thought, it is long deep thought, and when some can drop a convo and forget i can be thinking on it for days and all the ways around it and aspects of it. ofcourse it probably helps if the topic is interesting or if i understand the other side clearly enough lol

I have a command of my local dialect. "Mary's a right mardy-bum, she were skrikin' int' ginnel". Translated, this means, Mary is very petulant, she was crying in the alleyway. There can be a big divide between local speech forms and 'standard English' or 'received pronunciation' in the UK.

I'm in the North as well. And I do know an excellent Aesthetics Lecturer from Yorkshire!

Of course now I'm aware you don't really take the time to thoughtfully engage, and you don't really care, it helps! I don't always have time (time being a resource and one we can never earn back) and some times I take time out of my work-day or down time for humans who actually would like help. This means I can structure my time accordingly :) 

Yes, things can be interpreted in a myriad of ways. If one can be bothered to evaluate a little further, the others 'interpretation' of a thing is - for the most part - closely linked to their own motives and intent. So I've found. 

I mean my daughters were teased for not having a specifically local accent - accents in Britain change every 25 miles or so - having good vocabularies and thus  being perceived as 'talking posh'.

Unfortunately, all Anglophone countries seem to have an anti-intellectual cultural bias, unlike France or Germany, where intellect is respected and has social caché.

I agree - but I make sure I don't put myself in that position to need to be *that* stressed all the time - there are nicer places to be where you can 'stand down' and just enjoy living in the moment.     There's a lot of inner peace to be found in lower stress environments.        Save the big response for when it's really needed.

It can be seen clearly in dogs - the ability to relax and not need to be the protector changes them back into puppies.

Are you able to find that peace?

aye, if any bystander even sees you let any challenge slide or go uncontested then they too will think they are above you and then downtalk you and have a go next.

and even just being a side sitter and none participant people will always seek to have a go anyway even if your just chill and not wanting to participate in any of their societal nonsense. alot of times i let things slide and it always made things worse, if i could turn back the time i would have hit people more often lol and if i did i can damn well bet alot of problems would have easily gone away if i did. pacifism is a open invitation for every social loser to pick on you as their own personal step ladder on the social hierarchy. 

I appreciate that - if a challenge comes at you rated as a 2/10, you go back with 11/10 to frighten the challenger into backing down.  (I had to do the same recently - delivering a grossly OTT response to a mouthy idiot).

aye, thats because i still have pride lol
i am very much a quitter, but if anyone down talks me or acts arrogant or disrespectful towards me i put them in their place, or i overcompensate and send a message and put them much lower than their place haha

Caelus said:

the type that throws in the towel and says sod it and lets others win because competition is too tiring and obnoxious.

There's a combativeness that rings through a lot of your posts.     I find you are only forced into competition if you choose to play the game.     So much stress can be avoided by being wise beforehand with which battles you choose - most are not worth the effort. .

i guess agreement, in part... that intellect isnt a form of competition. but yet at the same time can actually be, such as when you are going for the same job as a load of other people, then its a competition in every single way... of both appearance, personality, smell, intellect, everything of you is on judge and competition to be compared to other candidates. then its a competition.... perhaps life is a competition when you think on it... although im more the type that throws in the towel and says sod it and lets others win because competition is too tiring and obnoxious.

and the problem with language is that everything can be interpreted a different way with each reading. which is one thing english teachers are usually joked about doing in that they read so much as a tiny sentence and can go on for years explaining all the possible different interpretations and meanings. as for my wording, i never really care, im more of a data dump guy, i guess it can be annoying for the reader to try piece together my data dumps, but on the other hand the type of english tutor type of person would have a field day with all the possible meanings they could mine out of it over and over lol

and i never really cared for aesthetic myself, im from up norf so everyone speaks rubbish up here anyway lol .... could be worse though, at least im not from Yorkshire.... god knows what they even say, they have their own language entirely.

Caelus said:

intellect isnt a form of competition

It's rather puzzling you'd say this. Even after I made a slightly exhausting attempt to spell out the perimeters of what specifically I meant by the word "Competition". Was it a form of agreement? Did you mean to reply, "I agree that intellect isn't a form of competition"? Or something else.

I'd like to understand what is missing here especially since you incorporated "Awareness" into the first paragraph... Being over-analytical, the possibilities I've constructed might entail: Trouble with the digital image of language in the form of symbols (A, B, C)? Or the logical construct of a sentence which is getting muddled up? Is it possible a screen inverted (white on black) would be easier for you to read? Just some thoughts. 

I'm also curious what you believe humility is/isn't and how that aligns with some of the philosophical teachings you've mentioned being interested in.

As for being "hated" or, responded to negatively, I USED to have problems not knowing what the consequences of my words were going to be when I was younger. I was also lazy with my Info-dumping. Some books call this being a "Leaky Faucet".

So I began to actively seek tutorials on how to Create and Aesthetic with Language (as best I could and this took about 10 years). I personally value aesthetic. But that meant: 1. controlling what I said by having a think about Ethics. 2. It meant affirming others as worthwhile and/or maybe struggling. 3. It meant not worrying about being overly-articulate. 4. It also meant using silence to spend time constructing and editing exactly what I wanted to say so I didn't waste other people's time. RESULT: I've found this creates a sense of feeling valued in the Other. All humans want to feel respected. And the consequence of my showing respect with my words this way benefits my relationships and makes life more enjoyable. 

This kind of intentionality with language - Creating an atmosphere and Using ethics in mindful evaluation builds trust. It's not for the 'lazy' and the selfish. This is also not for those who enjoy feeling like a Victim or a Martyr. But, personally I'd rather troubleshoot in advance user-errors in social situations. For me this is a better way to exist.