Narcissism Vs Autism

alot of autistic people think they are smarter than others, which sorta makes them appear narcissistic.
hell in college i knew a diagnosed autist, funny enough the guy i immediately got along with.... but yeah he was always a bit of a braggart on knowledge, which his things he came up with wernt really very high knowledge but the rest of the people in the class must have been dumb anyway as they was impressed even though i clearly spotted this knowledge he spouted in particular actually came from pokemon lol

Caelus said:

alot of autistic people think they are smarter than others

This is one of a Multitude of NT perspectives which create significant problems for Autistic Individuals.

In my experience, Autistic individuals feel frustration that others cannot understand or sense what they are understanding or senseing. From an Autistic perspective, it's unusual to View another in this Very Specific Neurotic / NeuroTypical manner: as if intellect is a form of competition. Competition in this case refers to weighing one persons abilities over anothers or a set of others. 

In the US, it is remarkable just how easy one might confuse a lack of discipline, a recklessness or a lazy approach to society (which in many ways is Rewarded). If you annunciate, you are frowned upon. If you use 'clever' language you are ridiculed. If you are too tailored you are shunned or patronized. 

All these societal 'manners' (or lack thereof) can be taken on by autistic individuals, but without the natural ability to join herd mentalities, and then attempts to be part of society or act/speak/dress in the same manner leave the autsitc individual seemingly even more uneducated or on the fringe. 

It is well known Autistic individuals actually Attract Narcissists because they are seemingly so easy to Manipulate. 

While yes, having SOMEthing one can feel they have a little control over and approval for (intellect, in this case) will feel a bit more grounding than being subjected to never quite getting a thing right (socials skills, language, etc.) that is still entirely different than utlising competition or domination or power over others. 

intellect isnt a form of competition (in most cases, in interviews competing for a job it likely is), but how you show it can be perceived as thinking your better than others, and when you signal to others in the room that you think your better than them thats where the problems start and where the room then hates you ever so slightly more, which continues down that slope the more they perceive you as trying to rub their faces in your intellect. this is why humility came to be cherished in society. and narcissists dont have humility as they love themselves so much... while autists cannot understand or read the room to realise they have to be a bit more humble and thus it perhaps causes them to act the same way as narcissists by mistake due to lack of awareness ..... and the whole point of lack of awareness is that your not aware that you lack the awareness lol

just thinking on this i can think of a few times myself where i might have pissed off a room. anytime i mention that i do fitness and martial arts in a room the entire room seems to hate me or be jealous or something and then you get hate for it for some reason. i guess this is the same, they think by mentioning that, you put yourself higher than them physically and thus they perceive me as thinking im better than them physically and thus they hate me for that. same thing, and lack of awareness of it until you reflect and think deeply of it after. funny one guy who seemingly didnt like me mentioning my fitness regime one time was a fat guy, so i dont understand why hed care as with how rotund he was its out of his area anyway. but perhaps a sensitive thing to bring up things that others in the room lack? ...which kinda holds them back really, as i could easily give the large guy some tips to work out in a lazy way in which he wont feel it and will get the best results while not getting any pain or exhaustion...... although then what is the fix? to not say anything at all? possibly... the cool silent type generally is more loved and easy to pull off. although anything you say will be hated on by the room, sometimes i do feel its better to be mute, but then again i dont talk much anyway lol more of a typer... /looks back at every growing paragraphs/ yup lol

ehhhhh i might be too dumb to work that out tbh lol

so you buy a cheap place you can find and get a mortgage on it and rent it out or something? so you get money back that you paid for it from the mortgage then the rental income pays off the monthyl repayments or something so its basically free asset maybe?

hmmm i always doubt i can get any type of loan mortgage thing anyway as i have no job and never done any credit thing so my credit is probably average, oh wait i pay phone contracts so that will boost it i guess. just need a job then for a mortgage.

But that's not how it works - it's actually cheaper to buy if you can get a low enough interest rate.

I know someone who bought the cheapest thing possible to rent out - the mortgage was interest only - they paid well below rental price each month while the property increases in value-  while they live at home.     

The concept is that the parents may as well help them on the housing market by charging no rent - after all, when they die, it all goes to him anyway - so it's a tax-efficient way of shifting assets without the tax man stealing it..

Eventually, when he earns a higher salary, he can remortgage the first and buy another.

It's all fake money anyway.

oof, 1 million is something that a lifetime worth of work wont even cover, considering average wage is 12k or 14k per year and no one ever pays more than the bare minimum for anything, thats like 100 years of work and absolutely no spending at all in order to just get a roof over your head lol this needs to change, society cannot be like this. its gotta give at some point and completely collapse or end in chaos or rebelion.

Very few people are in their ideal location-  around here, a Victorian 2-bed terrace is over £1/2M so it's impossible to get started -  but it's all about cutting one's cloth.

probs would again require relocation lol
god knows why my ancestors picked wigan, probably because its a mining town, but feck all here lol even wales in the middle of nowhere has more opportunities than this. not to mention cheaper houses that you can actually possibly afford after 10 years of work rather than needing 100 years.

Caelus said:

something like a hiking camping tour guide

But you can easily make yourself the top applicant by picking up easy certificates like advanced first aid - if you think about what could go wrong, the more you can deal with problems and emergencies, the more you can pull the company out of the court case. 

There must be a local scout group that you can help out with - it's experience  and selflessness that catches people's eye.

did think of that, but due to where i live anything like that would require a relocation.
something like a hiking camping tour guide would be cool lol a job thats pretty much just hiking and wild camping in nice places aha these type of privileged jobs though are rare and everyone fights for them. not very lucky on getting picked for anything, which makes me feel locked out of any job really, the guy thats always looked over or picked last is the guy that will never get job in this world in which 1000 people are going for each job.

Have you considered looking for a land management type of job?

I have a friend who lives almost like a hermit on the Duke of something's land - he's on benefits because of PTSD and a breakdown - but he does gentle work there to improve the land and generally tidy the grounds.    He loves it.

yeah, if i win the lottery and buy a private woodland 1000 miles from civilisation and the hordes of idiot human population and have a nice cabin to live in there. but never gonna happen, plus if it did happen its not that easy for civilisation follows you as ted kazynsky tried and found out himself, housing developers would just destroy everything around your land and make cities all around you. cant get any peace in this greedy world.

not sure about thought, i generally think afterward, such as the other topic that got locked in which i thought for the entire night and day and came up with a rebuff to the whole ethics argument and pointed out the flaw in it based on thought and research lol ...when i think, i think long and hard, and i dont stop, it isnt there and then snap thought, it is long deep thought, and when some can drop a convo and forget i can be thinking on it for days and all the ways around it and aspects of it. ofcourse it probably helps if the topic is interesting or if i understand the other side clearly enough lol

I'm in the North as well. And I do know an excellent Aesthetics Lecturer from Yorkshire!

Of course now I'm aware you don't really take the time to thoughtfully engage, and you don't really care, it helps! I don't always have time (time being a resource and one we can never earn back) and some times I take time out of my work-day or down time for humans who actually would like help. This means I can structure my time accordingly :) 

Yes, things can be interpreted in a myriad of ways. If one can be bothered to evaluate a little further, the others 'interpretation' of a thing is - for the most part - closely linked to their own motives and intent. So I've found. 

I agree - but I make sure I don't put myself in that position to need to be *that* stressed all the time - there are nicer places to be where you can 'stand down' and just enjoy living in the moment.     There's a lot of inner peace to be found in lower stress environments.        Save the big response for when it's really needed.

It can be seen clearly in dogs - the ability to relax and not need to be the protector changes them back into puppies.

Are you able to find that peace?

aye, if any bystander even sees you let any challenge slide or go uncontested then they too will think they are above you and then downtalk you and have a go next.

and even just being a side sitter and none participant people will always seek to have a go anyway even if your just chill and not wanting to participate in any of their societal nonsense. alot of times i let things slide and it always made things worse, if i could turn back the time i would have hit people more often lol and if i did i can damn well bet alot of problems would have easily gone away if i did. pacifism is a open invitation for every social loser to pick on you as their own personal step ladder on the social hierarchy. 

aye, if any bystander even sees you let any challenge slide or go uncontested then they too will think they are above you and then downtalk you and have a go next.

and even just being a side sitter and none participant people will always seek to have a go anyway even if your just chill and not wanting to participate in any of their societal nonsense. alot of times i let things slide and it always made things worse, if i could turn back the time i would have hit people more often lol and if i did i can damn well bet alot of problems would have easily gone away if i did. pacifism is a open invitation for every social loser to pick on you as their own personal step ladder on the social hierarchy. 

ehhhhh i might be too dumb to work that out tbh lol

so you buy a cheap place you can find and get a mortgage on it and rent it out or something? so you get money back that you paid for it from the mortgage then the rental income pays off the monthyl repayments or something so its basically free asset maybe?

hmmm i always doubt i can get any type of loan mortgage thing anyway as i have no job and never done any credit thing so my credit is probably average, oh wait i pay phone contracts so that will boost it i guess. just need a job then for a mortgage.

But that's not how it works - it's actually cheaper to buy if you can get a low enough interest rate.

I know someone who bought the cheapest thing possible to rent out - the mortgage was interest only - they paid well below rental price each month while the property increases in value-  while they live at home.     

The concept is that the parents may as well help them on the housing market by charging no rent - after all, when they die, it all goes to him anyway - so it's a tax-efficient way of shifting assets without the tax man stealing it..

Eventually, when he earns a higher salary, he can remortgage the first and buy another.

It's all fake money anyway.

oof, 1 million is something that a lifetime worth of work wont even cover, considering average wage is 12k or 14k per year and no one ever pays more than the bare minimum for anything, thats like 100 years of work and absolutely no spending at all in order to just get a roof over your head lol this needs to change, society cannot be like this. its gotta give at some point and completely collapse or end in chaos or rebelion.

Very few people are in their ideal location-  around here, a Victorian 2-bed terrace is over £1/2M so it's impossible to get started -  but it's all about cutting one's cloth.

probs would again require relocation lol
god knows why my ancestors picked wigan, probably because its a mining town, but feck all here lol even wales in the middle of nowhere has more opportunities than this. not to mention cheaper houses that you can actually possibly afford after 10 years of work rather than needing 100 years.

Caelus said:

something like a hiking camping tour guide

But you can easily make yourself the top applicant by picking up easy certificates like advanced first aid - if you think about what could go wrong, the more you can deal with problems and emergencies, the more you can pull the company out of the court case. 

There must be a local scout group that you can help out with - it's experience  and selflessness that catches people's eye.

did think of that, but due to where i live anything like that would require a relocation.
something like a hiking camping tour guide would be cool lol a job thats pretty much just hiking and wild camping in nice places aha these type of privileged jobs though are rare and everyone fights for them. not very lucky on getting picked for anything, which makes me feel locked out of any job really, the guy thats always looked over or picked last is the guy that will never get job in this world in which 1000 people are going for each job.

Have you considered looking for a land management type of job?

I have a friend who lives almost like a hermit on the Duke of something's land - he's on benefits because of PTSD and a breakdown - but he does gentle work there to improve the land and generally tidy the grounds.    He loves it.

yeah, if i win the lottery and buy a private woodland 1000 miles from civilisation and the hordes of idiot human population and have a nice cabin to live in there. but never gonna happen, plus if it did happen its not that easy for civilisation follows you as ted kazynsky tried and found out himself, housing developers would just destroy everything around your land and make cities all around you. cant get any peace in this greedy world.

I agree - but I make sure I don't put myself in that position to need to be *that* stressed all the time - there are nicer places to be where you can 'stand down' and just enjoy living in the moment.     There's a lot of inner peace to be found in lower stress environments.        Save the big response for when it's really needed.

It can be seen clearly in dogs - the ability to relax and not need to be the protector changes them back into puppies.

Are you able to find that peace?