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Narcissism Vs Autism

JuniperFromGallifrey

One of many on this topic:  https://www.thoughtsonlifeandlove.com/the-difference-between-narcissism-and-autistic-spectrum-disorder-asd/

From the list of Effects, I cannot understand why Narcissism would be popped on to the Spectrum as it presents as a NT Psychotic. According to research I've been diving into for the last 6 years, these 2 categories exist: ND or NT, though 1. it's not Black and White but 2.these are based on specific variables, and I persoanlly would add 'Capitalist' into NeuroNormative A.K.A. NeuroTypical. 

According to ongoing research (from Felix Guattari to Franchesca Happe) in extreme cases each can become or tend toward: 

Schizophrenic < NeuroDivergent OR NeuroTypical > Perverse / Psychotic

other research I've found has suggested the Shizophrenic is in a Defensive Mode where the Psychotic is in an Offensive Mode. Both are in a very intense state of survival.  

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I've occasionally encountered individuals with this bullet-like fist-pounding demand for truth. Arrogant, dismissive, but info-duming BUT with that spaced out sensory overload pause autistics can be happily guilty of. That sort of rebooting checked out vacancy that feels refreshing and spooks NTs out a bit. They seem driven but not always present. And wildly wrong in rather presumptous ways... I cannot make sense of these sort of individuals and I would like to for a matter of safety. I encounter them occasonally. Of course I went through times where I was naive, driven, intense, a bit much, not communicating or taking in language correctly, but was always grateful for advice or correction even if it was a painful or difficult process. One thing that held back the abilty to just learn and grow was feeling unprotected and fighting to just survive. 

As someone who has been analytical since I can remember, I like knowing what I'm working with or getting into before I commit. I don't like surprises or making promises I cannot keep. Therefore always making fine adjustements, fine-tuning, corrections, re-design, re-orderings - essentially being 'open' is how I establish a sense of centring. And feeling grounded on a chaotic planet is primary. The last thing I would like to do is trip over 'my (insufficient) truth'.

I also don't want to use a term like this frivolously. Individuals can call themselves 'Spetrummy' but it doesn't carry the weight or judgement of Narcissism. 

The bottom line is, with Autism still in a nebulous phase of research, when things get muddled up, the wrong representation can cost jobs. Errors in judgment from misrepresentations create very grave consequences. 

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  • alot of autistic people think they are smarter than others, which sorta makes them appear narcissistic.
    hell in college i knew a diagnosed autist, funny enough the guy i immediately got along with.... but yeah he was always a bit of a braggart on knowledge, which his things he came up with wernt really very high knowledge but the rest of the people in the class must have been dumb anyway as they was impressed even though i clearly spotted this knowledge he spouted in particular actually came from pokemon lol

  • in reply to Caelus
    Caelus said:
    alot of autistic people think they are smarter than others

    This is one of a Multitude of NT perspectives which create significant problems for Autistic Individuals.

    In my experience, Autistic individuals feel frustration that others cannot understand or sense what they are understanding or senseing. From an Autistic perspective, it's unusual to View another in this Very Specific Neurotic / NeuroTypical manner: as if intellect is a form of competition. Competition in this case refers to weighing one persons abilities over anothers or a set of others. 

    In the US, it is remarkable just how easy one might confuse a lack of discipline, a recklessness or a lazy approach to society (which in many ways is Rewarded). If you annunciate, you are frowned upon. If you use 'clever' language you are ridiculed. If you are too tailored you are shunned or patronized. 

    All these societal 'manners' (or lack thereof) can be taken on by autistic individuals, but without the natural ability to join herd mentalities, and then attempts to be part of society or act/speak/dress in the same manner leave the autsitc individual seemingly even more uneducated or on the fringe. 

    It is well known Autistic individuals actually Attract Narcissists because they are seemingly so easy to Manipulate. 

    While yes, having SOMEthing one can feel they have a little control over and approval for (intellect, in this case) will feel a bit more grounding than being subjected to never quite getting a thing right (socials skills, language, etc.) that is still entirely different than utlising competition or domination or power over others. 

  • in reply to JuniperFromGallifrey

    My daughters (one autistic) seem to have suffered a little at school from their classmates because of my constant correction of their pronunciation and spoken-word constructions. In adulthood, however, it will stand them in good stead. I have been told on a number of occasions, by non-native English speakers, that I am very easy to understand. At school I was a bit of a vocal chameleon (when I wasn't selectively mute), I had one accent and vocabulary in the classroom and a different, more local and colloquial, version for the playground.

  • in reply to Martin

    I have a command of my local dialect. "Mary's a right mardy-bum, she were skrikin' int' ginnel". Translated, this means, Mary is very petulant, she was crying in the alleyway. There can be a big divide between local speech forms and 'standard English' or 'received pronunciation' in the UK.

  • in reply to JuniperFromGallifrey

    I mean my daughters were teased for not having a specifically local accent - accents in Britain change every 25 miles or so - having good vocabularies and thus  being perceived as 'talking posh'.

    Unfortunately, all Anglophone countries seem to have an anti-intellectual cultural bias, unlike France or Germany, where intellect is respected and has social caché.

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  • in reply to JuniperFromGallifrey

    I mean my daughters were teased for not having a specifically local accent - accents in Britain change every 25 miles or so - having good vocabularies and thus  being perceived as 'talking posh'.

    Unfortunately, all Anglophone countries seem to have an anti-intellectual cultural bias, unlike France or Germany, where intellect is respected and has social caché.

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