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I also wish they'd stop making reference to GB and the flag in the course of all their BS. My Grandfather was buried in the flag for fighting for this country, men like Neil and Boris Johnson co-opt it, and in the process dishonour it. It used to  be a synbol of the stand against oppression and fascism, not for it. 

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At least they're not burning the beautiful flag... which is the favourite activity of the radical left.

Yeah, whereas the right carry that flag with pride. And make Nazi salutes and have white pride tattoos and completely miss the point. Their heroes fought against people like them. 

You might be interested in the article on Nazi propaganda on Wikipedia, how the *** realised that the majority of the population is not intelligent, not capable of forming a cohesive political position but who, provided with easy to remember and regurgitate slogans (think 'Brexit Means Brexit, Build Back Better etc) they can be given an 'opinion' in place of an informed argument, and won't care whether what they are saying is true or not, only that it's their OPINION and if you tell them they're wrong, you're inhibiting their 'freedom of speech' and take offense, double down on their belief rather than acknowledge that they may be wrong. 

An example would be immigration. The right bang on about people coming over here, taking our benefits and abusing our health service. I disagree with that. But, rather than just assume I was right I looked up the facts, and found that, actually, the NHS relies heavily on immigration to provide medical staff and auxillary staff and that it will be MORE reliant on immigration, going forward. Immigrants also use the service less than British-born people. Do they talk about those facts on GB News when they're ranting about the banana boat men or whatever? 

Jeremy Corbyn is not anti-EU. In fact he's more EU than Boris Johnson. Jeremy wanted us to stay in the Single Market which would have given us free movement with the EU, and Boris wanted us to leave the Single Market.

That was one of the worst pieces of political news of my life, that referendum. In which I didn't even have the vote. Before Hungary, where I live, joined the EU I was third-country alien, just another of them dodgy economic migrants, Immigration was a nightmare.

Why would a country choose to give up all those rights. To lube and work in 27 other countries. Why such dog-in-the-manger narrowness and I tolerance?

Luckily I got dual citizenship. For the time being. 

I have experienced plenty of the belittling and name calling of Brexiters since then, and have wondered at the bitterness behind it. You can't reason with them. Just as you can't for example with Trumpists, who gaslight their hideous causes here, there, everywhere. 

Something to do with the way the votes are counted, duh....

Very democratic

I've noticed that too!

It does not matter who you vote for, the government always gets in...

It wasn't the left that stopped Brexit for five years, it was MPs on all sides who objected to it, including the conservatives. One major reason of the objections was the unsolvable Northern Ireland border issue. We are joined to Europe, physically as well as through thousands of years of trade and easy migration.

Corbyn was anti-EU himself, on the left and backed the majority of  Labour MPs against leaving. But many conservative MPs also back remaining as of course did Boris till he suddenly changed his mind seeing the possibility of becoming PM. He didn't swap side for your sake, it was all about him.

Despite my working class background I travelled around and lived in Europe, my daughter was born in Denmark I did think of studying in Spain but decided to remain in the UK and finish my degree in Bournemouth. 

I looked forward to retiring in Europe I did have a crumbling ruin in Bulgaria for a time but had to come back to sort out finances and stayed. I bought a house in Bulgaria with land and endless outhouses for 7500 quid, I could have lived very well there, the neighbours were friendly, very very helpful, despite me not speaking any Bulgarian. 

I really have no idea what the problem was being in Europe. My dad fought for peace in Europe, he was working class Express reading conservative voter, he sent me to do a French exchange when I was 15 and encouraged me and my brother to go on holiday with a tent the next year. 

The working class then had aspirations, the working class was mobile. My grandmother moved from Worcester to Gloucester to work as a cook around 1900, my grandparents on the other side were from Peaky Blinders area in Brum, they were hardly posh but they moved out of Brum to the countryside for a better life, for them and their kids.

I have eaten avocados, I am a retired hippy, I am not a millenial snowflake I am a baby booming snowflake, I prefer sandals to boots I am sensitive to other people's needs and do know trans people etc but I am a real person I do object to your generalisations.

Generalisations can be used to demonise the other side. It's not nice. It's name calling and it's rude. I may be on the other side of the fence but I am a human being I am also autistic and lots of other things.

When it comes to politics I am mostly in agreement with Labour, but not always. I have a lot of disagreements with the Conservative party. I agree with most of the Green policies but with first past the post they'll never get in. But I am a person, with likes and dislikes, my own sense of right and wrong. I am not a party.

The conservatives are actually outnumbered by the other parties, if the other parties would get over their egos we could have Boris out at the next election. I do hope we do see this miracle.

....the last resort of the dogmatic is to insult and deflect.

and yet neither of that addresses anything and veers off as if you conceded defeat on the topic and then got salty to pick and insult other things. 

Punishment for homosexuality is worse in the former British Colonies. Victoria's boys left a nasty legacy. Look at the countries that people come to the UK to escape the law in their countries and you'll see almost all the countries of Africa, the West indies and the East Indies too. Former communist countries like the Ukraine, Belarus, Russia and countries that follow Shariah. Socialist countries in the EU are mostly very liberal with the exception of Poland and Hungary possibly Estonia and Latvia, not sure about them, but they fall under ex-communist countries.

Communism does not equal socialism any more than Conservativism equals Nazism.

Both the Left & Right have a chequered history where sexual orientation is concerned, Turtle. There have been governments of either colour in the UK that have done good (and not so good) things. And it has always been more to do with political opportunism than political ideology. People around the world face violence and inequality—and sometimes torture, even execution—because of who they love, and it's primarily in (former and current) socialist/communist states.

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The Labour Party has been out of power for over a decade and recently suffered its worst election defeat in its history. Apart from a coalition of hard-core trans activists, race-obsessed cosmopolitan avocado-munching hippies; and non-binary safe-space student snowflakes, how many real people with real life struggles does the Left actually represent anymore? Across the free world, Left-wing parties have been decimated politically. 

One minute you are a radical activist, the next you are  whomever likes or votes you up. You must be a gay snowflake then ? Remind us how many Conservative administrations supported gay rights from the 1950's onwards ?  

Oh, Turtle, so disappointing... 

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Nazi = National Socialist

' Make America Great Again '

' Get Brexit done '

' Take back control '

' jews are taking over everything '

' muslims are all terrorists ' 

etc etc etc

Slogans for half-wits throughout history. 

You are talking diarrhoea. 

Nazi = National Socialist

Mussolini = Mussolini came from a socialist revolutionary family that named him after Benito Jaurez, the Mexican revolutionary. He grew up as a socialist and maintained his belief in the efficacy of socialism until the end of his life.

These are inconvenient facts that the Left would want us all to forget...

eh.... again thats not factually correct and you are falling for media painted lies and not using your own eyes to see....

you think its nazi to support britain? you think churchil was nazi? ... the media paints the right in britain as nazi... it isnt... it isnt nazi at all... the media hate britain and try to pain britain as nazi, the right at worse might be british imperialist, but thats not nazi and i facepalm the very thought of that given it was the british imperialists that fought the nazi while the left... what did the left do? .... they told us to not fight the ***... the SNP you love, they was formed by hitler in the 30s and they was promised freedom by hitler and they tried to side with hitler and protested saying that britain shouldnt make the scots fight hitler.... every institution and thing the left supports you will find they supported hitler in the war and opposed britains call to arms against the ***... do your own research... stop believing lying scum media...

now lets look at your totally not nazi left in their most recent acts..... oh what did they do? ... oh they joined pro-palestine protests waving around palestine flags and attacking jews while having banners that said "hitler was right" now tell me, who is the *** again? .... because your totally ignoring the fact its the left that are ***.... but they are totally pro-hitler ***.... they are what we call strasserist socialist ***, of which is why they so loudly proclaim to be socialists, they are socialists but of the strasser variant which is nazi socialism, which is still true socialism so thats how they trick you. and now they got you hating on jews havent they? hating on islam? ...hell even nick griffon has joined your lefty side and joined corbyn now due to sharing opinions with you all about jews....

but yeah, totally, the pro-british side that backs churchil and our ancestors that actually fought against the *** are totally the *** because the media told you that right? lmao

Puff, just one question.

How is all this wokery and virtue signalling working out for you? 

The Labour Party has been out of power for over a decade and recently suffered its worst election defeat in its history. Apart from a coalition of hard-core trans activists, race-obsessed cosmopolitan avocado-munching hippies; and non-binary safe-space student snowflakes, how many real people with real life struggles does the Left actually represent anymore? Across the free world, Left-wing parties have been decimated politically. 

In Britain alone, despite the entire force, wealth and media propaganda of the Left, the British people voted to leave the EU. It took over five years to leave due to the conspiracy theories of the Left and attempts to overturn the democratic will of the people, but eventually the people triumphed. Do you think the Labour Party can ever recover from trying to overturn the will of the people?

Again, how is all this wokery and virtue signalling working out for you? 

Mykal, what I deal in are facts, as I have provided you. You can argue that I've spent my time in echo chambers but no, I haven't.

As a matter of fact I'm very familiar with the 'arguments' of the likes of yourself. I've been arguing with people spouting the same slogans and mistruths as you, all based on theories usually birthed from youtube channels or obscure websites that got 'silenced'. 

You think you're open minded and switched on, above the bs the rest of society swallows from the MSM, but all you've done is picked a more palatable flavour of bullshit, one which appeals to your prejudices and doesn't deal in facts so much as it promotes the kind of people who 'say what everyone is thinking'. 

You can talk about echo chambers all you like, but I regularly speak to people with differing views to my own, I have no interest in being part of an echo chamber and have been kicked out of Labour groups for refusing to blindly support the leadership. You can tell me nothing, but it's not because I'm close minded, it's that you have arrived to a battle of wits unarmed, and found that in the face of facts you have nothing but theories and examples of all the leftie baddies from throughout history. 

Do you really think they were 'left?' Just because they claimed to be? Judge them by their actions, not their words. Like how Andrew Neil CLAIMS to be proud to be British and something and stuff but he lives abroad so he doesn't have to pay tax here. 

What a patriot.

Puff, it's difficult to find common ground with someone whose entire belief system has been formed and amplified in online echo chambers populated with and by those with like-minded beliefs. It's the same barriers one faces when trying to rescue people from a cult.
I also suspect your entire narrow information diet flows through the same political filter bubble. How do I know? I used to be a radical Lefty too. As I matured, through painful life experiences and struggles, I slowly began to see the inconsistencies in the Left-wing messages, the hypocrisy in the left-wing ideologues, and the abject failures by the Left in power to improve the lives of the people they claim to represent. I took a long time, but now I'm free to stand apart from the tyranny of the Left.

In fact, the fruit fields are rotto g even as all this is being written. No one to pick them.

My dear mother voted Brex****,  otingbthe horrors of all these immigrants, yet on her last days she was looked after by furriners. Now there is probably no one to wipe their botties and hold their hands. 

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In fact, the fruit fields are rotto g even as all this is being written. No one to pick them.

My dear mother voted Brex****,  otingbthe horrors of all these immigrants, yet on her last days she was looked after by furriners. Now there is probably no one to wipe their botties and hold their hands. 

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