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I also wish they'd stop making reference to GB and the flag in the course of all their BS. My Grandfather was buried in the flag for fighting for this country, men like Neil and Boris Johnson co-opt it, and in the process dishonour it. It used to  be a synbol of the stand against oppression and fascism, not for it. 

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At least they're not burning the beautiful flag... which is the favourite activity of the radical left.

Yeah, whereas the right carry that flag with pride. And make Nazi salutes and have white pride tattoos and completely miss the point. Their heroes fought against people like them. 

You might be interested in the article on Nazi propaganda on Wikipedia, how the *** realised that the majority of the population is not intelligent, not capable of forming a cohesive political position but who, provided with easy to remember and regurgitate slogans (think 'Brexit Means Brexit, Build Back Better etc) they can be given an 'opinion' in place of an informed argument, and won't care whether what they are saying is true or not, only that it's their OPINION and if you tell them they're wrong, you're inhibiting their 'freedom of speech' and take offense, double down on their belief rather than acknowledge that they may be wrong. 

An example would be immigration. The right bang on about people coming over here, taking our benefits and abusing our health service. I disagree with that. But, rather than just assume I was right I looked up the facts, and found that, actually, the NHS relies heavily on immigration to provide medical staff and auxillary staff and that it will be MORE reliant on immigration, going forward. Immigrants also use the service less than British-born people. Do they talk about those facts on GB News when they're ranting about the banana boat men or whatever? 

You guys do know that there is an actual political "fight club" style site where you can really get into these topics, right?

It's called Zero Hedge, and whilst it isn't quite as wonderfully brutal as it used to be, it is way more suitable a place to be venting and scrapping than this one..

And there's a much wider set of topics to get your teeth into, for the people who like this sort of thing. 

You're simply sounding like a petulant child now.

Legislation to allow same-sex marriage in England and Wales was passed by the Parliament of the United Kingdom in July 2013 and took effect on 13 March 2014. The first same-sex marriages took place on 29 March 2014.

You have no idea about which you speak or indeed any kind o reasonable perspective on anything. 

we didnt have free movement in the EU... we was outside the EU free movement zone... and being part of the single market didnt afford us free movement. what the single market is, is to treat all of the EU as if it was one nation when it comes to trade.... this is in part why individual members of the EU cannot trade outside of it, the EU has to trade for them, as that is what the single market is, if we was to be part of the single market we would be giving up our ability to trad ewith anyone at all and giving our trade and fate in the hands of the EU, which is a very bad thing to do when outside of it because they dont care theyd take everything off us for free and bankrupt us... and that is why you dont want to be part of the single market if your not a member of the EU....and even if you are a member of the EU that still puts a knife to your nations throat... a very bad situation to be in.... why should we restrict our trade and make it so the EU has to trade outside for us and for the UK to not be a global trade force and instead the EU to be the face of UK trade in which they make our deals for us whether we like them or not? how is that good? ... thats bad.... thats why we wanted out of the single market... you have all been told lies about what the single market even is. this is what i was getting at with the other guy too, no one seems to understand what the EU even is or how it worked or what any of these terms they bring up even mean.... the single market is very very bad.... why should we want to give up our trade and have the EU make our trade for us and not allow ourselves to trade?

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uff, just one question.

How is all this wokery and virtue signalling working out for you? 

What exactly does that actually mean ? Who is it that has you this way ? What do you actually think and feel yourself ?

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The Labour Party has been out of power for over a decade and recently suffered its worst election defeat in its history.

Your point being ? 

Unknown said:

The Labour Party has been out of power for over a decade and recently suffered its worst election defeat in its history. Apart from a coalition of hard-core trans activists, race-obsessed cosmopolitan avocado-munching hippies; and non-binary safe-space student snowflakes, how many real people with real life struggles does the Left actually represent anymore? Across the free world, Left-wing parties have been decimated politically. 

And the progress made in those years by conservatives, do you wish to name them ? Any of them ? Answers on a postage stamp please ! Do you not remember the austerity of Osbourne and IDS ? Have you forgotten about the disabled people in wheelchairs who had to storm parliament for the first time in history ? 

You have been exposed unless you have any come back of humanity ?

Yes, he was. For almost his entire political life, until he became leader of the Labour Party and had to dumb down his beliefs so as not to offend the woke globalists and student snowflakes in the party. That's why he was missing in action during the referendum.

Jeremy Corbyn is not anti-EU. In fact he's more EU than Boris Johnson. Jeremy wanted us to stay in the Single Market which would have given us free movement with the EU, and Boris wanted us to leave the Single Market.

That was one of the worst pieces of political news of my life, that referendum. In which I didn't even have the vote. Before Hungary, where I live, joined the EU I was third-country alien, just another of them dodgy economic migrants, Immigration was a nightmare.

Why would a country choose to give up all those rights. To lube and work in 27 other countries. Why such dog-in-the-manger narrowness and I tolerance?

Luckily I got dual citizenship. For the time being. 

I have experienced plenty of the belittling and name calling of Brexiters since then, and have wondered at the bitterness behind it. You can't reason with them. Just as you can't for example with Trumpists, who gaslight their hideous causes here, there, everywhere. 

Something to do with the way the votes are counted, duh....

Very democratic

I've noticed that too!

It does not matter who you vote for, the government always gets in...

It wasn't the left that stopped Brexit for five years, it was MPs on all sides who objected to it, including the conservatives. One major reason of the objections was the unsolvable Northern Ireland border issue. We are joined to Europe, physically as well as through thousands of years of trade and easy migration.

Corbyn was anti-EU himself, on the left and backed the majority of  Labour MPs against leaving. But many conservative MPs also back remaining as of course did Boris till he suddenly changed his mind seeing the possibility of becoming PM. He didn't swap side for your sake, it was all about him.

Despite my working class background I travelled around and lived in Europe, my daughter was born in Denmark I did think of studying in Spain but decided to remain in the UK and finish my degree in Bournemouth. 

I looked forward to retiring in Europe I did have a crumbling ruin in Bulgaria for a time but had to come back to sort out finances and stayed. I bought a house in Bulgaria with land and endless outhouses for 7500 quid, I could have lived very well there, the neighbours were friendly, very very helpful, despite me not speaking any Bulgarian. 

I really have no idea what the problem was being in Europe. My dad fought for peace in Europe, he was working class Express reading conservative voter, he sent me to do a French exchange when I was 15 and encouraged me and my brother to go on holiday with a tent the next year. 

The working class then had aspirations, the working class was mobile. My grandmother moved from Worcester to Gloucester to work as a cook around 1900, my grandparents on the other side were from Peaky Blinders area in Brum, they were hardly posh but they moved out of Brum to the countryside for a better life, for them and their kids.

I have eaten avocados, I am a retired hippy, I am not a millenial snowflake I am a baby booming snowflake, I prefer sandals to boots I am sensitive to other people's needs and do know trans people etc but I am a real person I do object to your generalisations.

Generalisations can be used to demonise the other side. It's not nice. It's name calling and it's rude. I may be on the other side of the fence but I am a human being I am also autistic and lots of other things.

When it comes to politics I am mostly in agreement with Labour, but not always. I have a lot of disagreements with the Conservative party. I agree with most of the Green policies but with first past the post they'll never get in. But I am a person, with likes and dislikes, my own sense of right and wrong. I am not a party.

The conservatives are actually outnumbered by the other parties, if the other parties would get over their egos we could have Boris out at the next election. I do hope we do see this miracle.

....the last resort of the dogmatic is to insult and deflect.

and yet neither of that addresses anything and veers off as if you conceded defeat on the topic and then got salty to pick and insult other things. 

Punishment for homosexuality is worse in the former British Colonies. Victoria's boys left a nasty legacy. Look at the countries that people come to the UK to escape the law in their countries and you'll see almost all the countries of Africa, the West indies and the East Indies too. Former communist countries like the Ukraine, Belarus, Russia and countries that follow Shariah. Socialist countries in the EU are mostly very liberal with the exception of Poland and Hungary possibly Estonia and Latvia, not sure about them, but they fall under ex-communist countries.

Communism does not equal socialism any more than Conservativism equals Nazism.

Both the Left & Right have a chequered history where sexual orientation is concerned, Turtle. There have been governments of either colour in the UK that have done good (and not so good) things. And it has always been more to do with political opportunism than political ideology. People around the world face violence and inequality—and sometimes torture, even execution—because of who they love, and it's primarily in (former and current) socialist/communist states.

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The Labour Party has been out of power for over a decade and recently suffered its worst election defeat in its history. Apart from a coalition of hard-core trans activists, race-obsessed cosmopolitan avocado-munching hippies; and non-binary safe-space student snowflakes, how many real people with real life struggles does the Left actually represent anymore? Across the free world, Left-wing parties have been decimated politically. 

One minute you are a radical activist, the next you are  whomever likes or votes you up. You must be a gay snowflake then ? Remind us how many Conservative administrations supported gay rights from the 1950's onwards ?  

Oh, Turtle, so disappointing... 

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Nazi = National Socialist

' Make America Great Again '

' Get Brexit done '

' Take back control '

' jews are taking over everything '

' muslims are all terrorists ' 

etc etc etc

Slogans for half-wits throughout history. 

Unknown said:

Nazi = National Socialist

' Make America Great Again '

' Get Brexit done '

' Take back control '

' jews are taking over everything '

' muslims are all terrorists ' 

etc etc etc

Slogans for half-wits throughout history. 

....the last resort of the dogmatic is to insult and deflect.

and yet neither of that addresses anything and veers off as if you conceded defeat on the topic and then got salty to pick and insult other things. 

Oh, Turtle, so disappointing...