Doubt!.....I always analyse and analyse....Anyone else have this issue...and is it a trait of A?

Hi

For as long as i know, i've always been this way!....over analysing matters....whittling things down till theyre no longer there almost....exhausting matters to oblivion...Its the complete taking apart!

I have learnt some techniques to reduce this...but ive had countless people throughout my life(before i was diagnosed) stating " you never believe anyone" "you think youre so clever, why do you pretend to be intelligent" ....I think this last comment is a mistake on their parts as thats not what im doing....but it must come across to NT's as pomp and ego.....to keep chipping away at a matter.....but it seems to be an ocd funk i cant get off...Its really annoyed alot of people throughout my life...including myself.

I find it hard to have faith in things....if that makes sense!....i always seem to have deep seated doubts...and thats what leads me(i believe) to chip away at every angle on a matter to see if it will stand true...

Im convinced this exhausts me mentally(i obvious conclusion i know) but its only just dawned on me at 51yrs old, that it fatigues me so much!

And without going down the( proverbial rabbit hole ), its really all fear!...

Doubt and feeling that i have to check matters are real and wont hurt me....anxiety !..

  • Same! Feels a bit like being locked in and, I have said to my ASD assessor, I feel that I have a permanent question mark over my head. And when I try to speak to my colleagues about how I feel, they say I am "overthinking it". Drives me insane that no one can answer my questions and just talk to me to calm my over active, anxious mind.

  • Sad but true I'm afraid. But if you get a diagnosis it will be worth it. You shouldn't be put through the assessment unless they are pretty sure they think you have ASD or ASC as its known now.

    It still took a bit of time though. 

    Saw GP to ask for Private referral February 2019.

    Saw Psychiatrist May 2019.

    Saw Psychologists July 2019 (my referral got lost!)

    Consultation, ADOS assessment, Further consultation (with wife) July/August

    Diagnosis 15th September 2019

  • It is a very common marker. It was exactly why my GP suggested an underlying mental disorder and suggested further investigation :)

  • Doctors were prescribing me stronger medication for rising anxiety levels for no reason until i saw the same program , Asked for a diagnosis and took it 2 years on the NHS and it was asd ,  

  • My NHS assessment took around 9-10 months!

  • Was NHS, Now GP referred to private due to 3 year waiting list.

  • NHS or Private ? I hate to think how long the NHS assessment waiting list is these days?

  • The joke is that I had never heard of Aspergers 5 years ago, when my wife said that she thought our son might have it, after reading about in in the Internet. Its turns out he did and was diagnosed through CAMS (NHS). Even then, it took me a while to wonder if I might have Aspergers, because he seemed to have classic traits eg very sensitive to certain pain, obsessed about the Weather, walking on tip toe, cutting labels out of clothes, restricted diet, lack of eye contact and appearing rude & unsociable.

    I only made the connection after watching the channel 4 "Are you Autistic" documentary and later on, getting generally more stressed and anxious with life and particularly work (which should be easing as you get older).

    My GP said, that when we were younger, these Conditions were unheard of, and Aspergers could possibly explain why my anxiety was getting worse (for no apparent reason) while the medication had less effect. Turns out he was right, but he had to refer me to a private Psychiatrist as after 6 month's he couldn't find anyone, to look over the 8 pages of notes I took about my life history and my "quirks" as I put it. I did not think I had Aspergers but maybe some Anxiety Disorder and was completely surprised when the Psychiatrist said he was 95% sure I had Aspergers. 

    He would have written a diagnosis letter there and then, but because I had issues at work, he said a formal assessment would carry more weight. I had this including an ADOS assessment. The GP visit started in November 2018 and wrote my notes for a second visit a few weeks later. I remember feeling very anxious in the waiting room, thinking that I was a fraud and wasting the GP's time - I nearly left!. I went back in February 2019, but he hadn't been able to find anyone to look at my notes to see if there was a problem worth investigating. So I had to go the Private route... £350 for a 1:45hr session with the Psychiatrist. £280 for an initial consultation with the Psychologist and £1500 for the full assessment. I think it was money well spent, although I often wonder (as I did at the time), what if the Psychologist diagnosis disagreed with the Psychiatrist?

    And of course, you are filled with regret on how things might have been different if I could have been diagnosed as a child and received some therapy. Over the years I have "learned" to be sociable in 1:1 situations but struggle in larger gatherings-I just switch off basically. I often complain to our Aspergers son, that he really needs to make an effort to be more sociable!! - otherwise he will have a lonely life?

  • Wow! This is totally what I do. It’s also why I’ll never go to my partner’s Father’s house again. It was always a calm predictable place and then they jumped on me over brexit, just out of the blue. Now the thought of going back causes instant anxiety.

    45 waiting for diagnosis!

  • Diagnosed last yr at 51....(I'll be 52 july 16th this yr) 

  • I do this. Why are they like that? Why did they do that? Why did that happen? Is this asd or ocd?

  • Faith, as in the ability to accept something without evidence. 

    I do see a point in that, if it means: keep a neutral stand in interaction with others. Not everybody is out there to cheat or deceive you, and in general people can be trusted, until proven untrustworthy. But you should always keep an open mind to that. 

  • Yes, I can relate to that..

     I analyse just about everything to death. The worst are upcoming social situations where I try a predict what will happen and rehearse my actions. It's simply the way I am wired and explains why I dont like change or the unexpected! It also makes me fret and worry and in certain social situations (where I have no control eg a noisy cafe or a busy shop) I can get quite  "snappy". So it was hardly a surprise when I was diagnosed last year at 55 :(

  • I totally get this. I analyse everything. It drives my partner mad, but me more so. It’s part of the reason why I’m getting diagnosed at 45, because I keep stripping stuff down and saying why! Why does it do that, why did they say that, why did it happen that way and not another way... I’m sure you get the picture. I also think it’s part of my anxiety OCD and get very tired when I’m having a particularly bad day.

  • I'm the same. It's why I cant find a good counsellor. They dont understand how much I think about things. People are quite superficial 

  • Good to know others do it as well. I was told that I needed faith but I even try to analyse that. 

  • Good to know others do it as well. I was told that I needed faith but I even try to analyse that. 

  • Yep, sounds familiar. Working hard to not do that though, without sufficient success. Lol

  • Same here. 

    I see a psychologist once a week. She tells me that te ideal state is not to think so much about things. It's very confronting when she tells me: 'that's actually your imagination telling you that...'... and it becomes even more detrimental when I come to a conclusion about why somebody said something in a certain way and then start acting upon it. 

    I avoid all contact with my brother in law. When I spent time with him I didn't sleep that night. He said things like: 'One would say that I know more about computers than you... ' or 'I heard this from a guy who is at least as clever as you...' 

    I used to be extremely gullible as a child. I thought my son and daughter that if they would meet somebody that tells them stuff and they had this feeling that this doesn't add up and it's not like everybody else around laughs because it's a joke... in that situation he should just keep a blank face, shrug his shoulders and come to me or my wife to check what happened. Some NT people like to bully people that are considered 'too serious', 'too gullible', or 'lacking common sense'... in fact, they also suffer from a need to compensate for their own inferiority complex by putting other people down. 

    This is an important part of life. Religion, advertisement, hierarchy, ... I have a feeling most people with asd have a kind of colourblindness to these things, we tend to see these things for the scam they are and it makes us a bit weird, because most other people (with NT) just take these things for granted in an attempt to fit in without question, least effort...

    My advise to you: don't lose it, but accept it for what it is, don't analyse it with people who suffer from NT (pun intended).

    There's this analogy I like. In the war, people with colour-blindness had it easy to spot camouflaged weapons in the forest-edge... it's not always a debilitating trait.