Police are dangerous for those on the autistic spectrum

Doesn't matter if they understand or not. Look at number of people charged with resisting arrest with no other reason to explain why they being arrested to start with.

...A certain Person well seasoned whom I hoped would reply has replied... Thank You as always!

I do have GREAT trouble with Threads where a person starts a topic then adds more seemingly disparate subjects which link to the main.

DaveAsperg said:

an implied suicide threat

...Now I get it. Again, as I tried to say... Yes this makes sense and Yes it is very very bad. The word "suicide" makes most persons simply jump their "Train of thought" onto a totally different Track, if You know what I mean. 

Alas, again, the awful deed is done, and so I can offer nothing else but advice to LEARN from it. You ask if I have some link to the Law/Police, and I suppose not, but I am (lately) very aware of how words can be taken - or jumped upon - by persons and used, misused or misunderstood. Mr Robert123 gives excellent points, so watch out for those in future. It is very difficult to be careful when under pressure/stress (rushed &or lied to)...

...speaking of which, someone else has just posted as I type this!! I meant to say, always check Your own feelings, and if it seems like something is not going to go how You need, then say nothing or make certain to ask for support or clarification. Use of the word "suicide" is a massive word, just like "racism", and it helps to learn how "spin" and "The Law" works, even if One is neither a Politician or a Policeman.

Sorry this is so long... but a lot of this could start a lot of other Threads. (Spin, obfuscation, Misunderstanding, & such.) Good Fortune To You in any case...

Very very very dangerous to the undiagnosed! 

It should be mandatory for all autistic people to have lawyers present at the very least before anything is recorded that may be used against them. For those who are un diagnosed, they may already be so far gone with wrong 'friends' etc in life that just having a diagnosis might not help them. 

Police, are unfortunately subject to achievements of convictions in career it seems which is in itself bias towards anyone vulnerable just as a base line. 

Good points. I think the police focus on internet stuff and in my case made a scam trap look genuine. I found the police were not honest 

I believe that the problem is threefold

1. The police have targets to meet.  So arresting and charging a vulnerable person who is easy to misunderstand,  makes them an easy soft target.
2. Ignorance and prejudice towards autistics.  Some people regard them as dangerous,  suicidal, and unpredictable psychos. 
3. It's now fashionable to solve Internet crime.  If one makes threats over the Internet,  it is taken very seriously and there is concrete proof of what was written and an electronic record of the computer and users etc.   If one makes the same threats or comment face to face, to someone, then it's one person's word against another and the police tend to ignore these unsolvable crimes which have no proof.

I never even mentioned suicide, but said my life was in danger as I had just had a serious cycle accident with mri changes on brain scan and unable to walk . The police got my medical records, found I was seeing a psychiatrist with suicidal ideation and said it was an implied suicide threat I was making. They got me to sign a statement about saying my life was in danger as I believed it was , but left out the bit about saying I had just had a cycle accident. They tricked me into a trap I believe, which was unjust and unfair. I am appealing but I have been nearly killed by the police actions. They like to win and couldn’t care for my life

thsnks for troubling to converse. Dare I ask if you are associated with the police? Looking at your profile I suspect not but very thorough with language details.

i really don’t understand why they charged and convicted me for this other than making it a lead in to a more serious imagined charge that I was found unanimously not guilty of and was about soje computer nerd trap that I was also caught in

(...It is getting late... I have to try to sign off, now. I meant all of what I said, though.)

DaveAsperg said:

suicidal

...I apologise very much, but this particular term DOES carry almost a separate law of its own. When speaking to police - or anyone - unless it is about someone else planning "suicide", then tactics change a lot. A great deal. All I can say is to communicate without mentioning "sucide", and a lot can be seen... then mention "suicide" and the tactics/attitudes do change completely!

I might have less to say here now, sorry, As far as I have found, to "everyone else" the term "suicide" has no other meaning apart from "killing", with no differentiation between one person, the Self, or others. I really apologise for having to say this, yet I meant what I said about understanding taking time.

There are others upon here who also know about, um, "suicide" better than I can write here. There are also some Threads about it. I am a wimp sometimes... can someone else support Me here eventually, pleeeease...?

The concrete written law! I find it bizarre and unfair that the police can convict me for asking for help when suicidal by using the malicious communication label, as if I would really have any malicious intent towards anyone I askedel for help from ( after being advised to try and speak to them by my doctor and Samaritans). It seems bizarre to me and I don't understand why the jury said guilty, other than the prosecution had the top barrister if the year for England. Presumably he always like to win, but may cause my demise, unfairly I feel.. Is this what the police should be doing??

Malicious communication has to have malicious intent ie a wish to cause harm to someone else. They may be anxious to hear of severe distress, but is this what the malicious communication act is supposed to be used for?  Maybe the judge who convicted me could also be charged with malicious communication as well as the jury and the prosecution, police  - lots of them...…………..

DaveAsperg said:

The police need educating about autism and to have great care with their use of the TASER and

"...and aggression" (Had trouble fully quoting without a <space> in there.)

...I have not read the link, but what is said here is true. The thing is... "The Police" are just like all other Mostly Allistic Organisations. Replace the word "Autistic" for "Black" (people of African descent/with very dark skin)... and the same thing applies... it is very bad, yes. (News stories sometimes mention a known Police associate, but they were arrested/tasered <> just upon sight?!)

What I mean to say is, Yes it is very bad, and very unfair... but most of all, this needs WORK and maybe Time... to change the ingrained attitudes. We are currently living the "change attitude" time, so, discrimination is in the majority. Be calm, be strong, keep at it... and find ways to stay calm in the face of adversity (Jerks)... and keep on being True to what You Know is Right.

...I meant what I said about mostly having trouble with "not exactly Police". A good way to start learning about Police is to learn the 'Concrete Written LAW': This changes often, but just know where One stands, and make an Intelligent Impression.

...NAS, Anything to say, here, Please?

My own experience with the police has been extremely bad and the NPAA seems solely focussed on the protecting those on the ASD in the police.. I couldn't even get a reply from them despite many attempts. Maybe they could help in situations where autistics have been arrested as we are usually misunderstood and first impressions are crucial in the way police behave.

Here's a view from the ASD side

http://autisminjustice.org/

The police need educating about autism and to have great care with their use of the TASER and aggressionhttps://www.sbs.com.au/news/how-training-police-to-understand-people-with-autism-could-save-lives?fbclid=IwAR1xQO1dLSRceUFdL2qzh0Q5Q7EZdsxozbAuQi100oywTKr8h0q89MkA1w8

https://community.autism.org.uk/f/introduce-yourself/6960/national-police-autism-association/

...This is the Thread for NPAA within this Forum, about Four Years old. For some reason, the Main NPAA link which I gave above is HTTP and not HTTPS ("S" denotes "secure")... I cannot comment further about this, but the link is there.

Greetings to Mr DaveAsperg. & Anyone reading might like to try this organisation:

http://www.npaa.org.uk

(NPAA = National Police Autism Association.)

...They have/had a Thread upon here, which was largely forgotten... but they seem to still be going, and Their Own Site is/was sometimes interesting...!

...In any case, I half agree and disagree with the Police being "dangerous" part. If in dire straits (from Allistics) I Myself would run away and/or seek out a Policeman. It is, yes, a great shame that MONEY influences so very very much nowadays. I regard the Police as they stand, to be the same as most other Organisations in that they are largely not educated towards Autism, just like GPs or SocialWorkers or anyone else... Autism is a "Minority" after all compared to Allistics.

(...I Myself have more trouble with those *pretending* to be Police rather than Police themselves. Security Guards and Volunteer Security are a bit of a bane (Allistic& prone to lying.).)

I completely agree. I have had many appalling experiences with the police. On one occasion, I had two harassing me for twenty minutes and refused to let me know what was going on.