Hate and unconstitutional thinking taking over

Obviously, bigoted and racist people vote for Far Right parties. However it seems that many non-extremist people are also doing so out of frustration with the political status quo. Unfortunately, they seem to be too stupid to realise that they are voting for something far, far worse.

Our mainstream media tried to cover the stupidity of this party so desperately but some people just don‘t get it. It‘s not just their values and horrible goals, but also stuff like having a 2 billion euro gap in their budget plan… 

I think that while Reform were very fringe they could get away with promising the moon on a stick, but once they became a serious threat the media, very belatedly, started asking them serious questions and expecting reasoned replies, like they would with any real political party (Reform is a private company rather than a conventionally organised party). They seldom got or get reasoned replies, or any indication of the existence of any rational set of real-world policies. Some parts of the media also did a little digging and came up with all the serious financial criminality that is now common knowledge..

I think most people have lived through all this before, from Thatcher onwards and wold know it dosen't work by now and the rich just get richer.

TheCatWoman said:

I think Reform are thinking the previously unthinkable and considering ditching Farage

As Farage's parties tend to be focussed on him, they have a track record of collapsing if he leaves. I have no idea whether the Reform bandwagon has the momentum to continue without him but even if it did, I imagine it will be rats fighting in a sack.

One of the things thats always confused me, is that people believe a bunch of self serving multimillionaire business people are going to do anything substantive to improve the lives of ordinary people. They'll get rid of red tape to "help" businesses and get Britain working again, so that mean no employee protections, no minimum wage, no environmental protections, more private ownership of infrastructure and things that are held in the public domain, like health. 

Cutting benefits, so they'll make poor people poorer and homeless, most people on benefits are in work already, they need higher wages to get off benefits.

If we leave the EHCR then we'll become a pariah state and no one will do deals with us about returning migrants, its all very well saying they'll remove migrants, but to where?

Reform loves it when other political parties are accused of or found guilty of wrong doing, they never let it rest, but even the slightest hint that they may have done something wrong and it's all a conspiracy by the "Establishment". I'm reminded of Kenneth WIlliams character in Carry On Screaming, 'Infamy, Infamy, they've all got it in for me'. Did Farage and Reform really not expect to come under the same sort of scrutiny that others do?

I think Reform are thinking the previously unthinkable and considering ditching Farage, its obvious Zia Usuff see's himself as the next leader, as does Robbert Jennrick. Lelia Cunningham, Reform's candidate for London Mayor, is said be distancing herself from Farage and Reform in general, I saw her on fridays Newsnight and it was the only time she looked and sounded normal rather than a swivel eyed loon, controlled by wires off screen somewhere.

I think one of the alarming things about this black clad mob who were in Dover at the weekend, is they call themselves soldiers and an army. Apparently they've been learning about sectarian paramilitary activities in Northern Ireland and that should worry all of us. I'm old enough to remember IRA bombings and every xmas thinking 'if I go to London today for shopping, what ill I do if theres a bomb', I wasn't scared it was just an inevitability that there would be a big explosion in London somewhere, as regular as turning on the lights in Blackpool. I'd hate for that sort of feeling to become commonplace again.

One of the things thats always confused me, is that people believe a bunch of self serving multimillionaire business people are going to do anything substantive to improve the lives of ordinary people. They'll get rid of red tape to "help" businesses and get Britain working again, so that mean no employee protections, no minimum wage, no environmental protections, more private ownership of infrastructure and things that are held in the public domain, like health. 

Cutting benefits, so they'll make poor people poorer and homeless, most people on benefits are in work already, they need higher wages to get off benefits.

If we leave the EHCR then we'll become a pariah state and no one will do deals with us about returning migrants, its all very well saying they'll remove migrants, but to where?

Reform loves it when other political parties are accused of or found guilty of wrong doing, they never let it rest, but even the slightest hint that they may have done something wrong and it's all a conspiracy by the "Establishment". I'm reminded of Kenneth WIlliams character in Carry On Screaming, 'Infamy, Infamy, they've all got it in for me'. Did Farage and Reform really not expect to come under the same sort of scrutiny that others do?

I think Reform are thinking the previously unthinkable and considering ditching Farage, its obvious Zia Usuff see's himself as the next leader, as does Robbert Jennrick. Lelia Cunningham, Reform's candidate for London Mayor, is said be distancing herself from Farage and Reform in general, I saw her on fridays Newsnight and it was the only time she looked and sounded normal rather than a swivel eyed loon, controlled by wires off screen somewhere.

I think one of the alarming things about this black clad mob who were in Dover at the weekend, is they call themselves soldiers and an army. Apparently they've been learning about sectarian paramilitary activities in Northern Ireland and that should worry all of us. I'm old enough to remember IRA bombings and every xmas thinking 'if I go to London today for shopping, what ill I do if theres a bomb', I wasn't scared it was just an inevitability that there would be a big explosion in London somewhere, as regular as turning on the lights in Blackpool. I'd hate for that sort of feeling to become commonplace again.

I think most people have lived through all this before, from Thatcher onwards and wold know it dosen't work by now and the rich just get richer.

TheCatWoman said:

I think Reform are thinking the previously unthinkable and considering ditching Farage

As Farage's parties tend to be focussed on him, they have a track record of collapsing if he leaves. I have no idea whether the Reform bandwagon has the momentum to continue without him but even if it did, I imagine it will be rats fighting in a sack.