Gaza

I’m using Apple safari and I just got blocked but changed search engine to Yahoo. I can’t send the last photo and I’ve had to cut large chunks off the two sent. I’ll try again. Gosh this forum isn’t easy to use and I am having to keep scrolling to seek the lost thread.  

are you using windows 10 or 11?

It is saying that the file is too large, yet I have sent it in ‘most compatible format’. I can’t see how to adjust the pixels or what the dimensions should be.

ArchaeC said:

Do you know how I might post photos here?

you click on the Insert option on the bar at the bottom of the editing window, chose image/video/file and then click on the upload link (not very clear) and lastly set the pixel dimensions (a bit buggy so do it slowly).

And to go to back earlier than the Bible, science shows that all present-day individuals of non-African ancestry are decendents of the first African ‘migrants’. The Bible has some useful facts that can be backed up by historical and archaeological evidence. Mainstream biblical scholars coming from Protestant and Catholic perspectives, are largely in agreement that the Old Testament in its current form originated from different source material from different periods. Some of the material has been redacted from sources to serve a theological purpose rather than to provide an accurate account of dates and events.

The English edition of the Israeli “Haaretz Newspaper” gives hope that Trump’s dreams will not materialise. I am trying to upload a screenshot of it but it just gives me a blank image and says no URL uploaded. Do you know how I might post photos here? Usually it is just copy and paste jpeg. 

Thanks for that, it's answered questions I've had for years but felt too daft to ask!

I remember Manic Miner well, fun times

Billy87 said:

No Arab in the region ever considered themselves a Palestinian

The term Palestine first appeared in the 5th century BCE when the ancient Greek historian Herodotus wrote of a "district of Syria, called Palaistinê" between Phoenicia and Egypt in The Histories.

So 2400 years earlier the name of the area of Palestine existed but it was part of Syria then.

Go back to the ice age and the UK was part of the European land mass with all the area of the North Sea as land too. Are we really part of Germany, France, Denmark or even (good lord no) Belgium?

Choosing where to draw lines in things historically is a fools game largely as most parties just choose the version of hisrory that suits their agenda.

Israel has quite a unique origin in terms of it was a voice that some guys heard in their head that they beleived was god and they took this as law:

In Genesis 12:7, God promises Abram, who had just arrived in Canaan, “To your offspring I will give this land.” Later, in Genesis 15:18, God expands on that unconditional promise: “To your descendants I have given this land, From the river of Egypt as far as the great river, the river Euphrates” (NASB). Then, in Genesis 17:8, God reiterates the promise to Abraham, adding that the land gift is irrevocable: “The whole land of Canaan, where you now reside as a foreigner, I will give as an everlasting possession to you and your descendants after you.” God later repeats the promise to Abraham’s son Isaac (Genesis 26:3–4) and Isaac’s son Jacob (Genesis 28:13), whose name God later changed to Israel.

An unusual way to claim land rights when the people already there do not even follow the same religion.

Robert124 said:

There's no need to worry about what Trump says, he won't last twelve months. 

We all thought that in his first term too, but he seems to delight in confounding out hopes.

Martin said:

I think that you have confused the Mamluks with the Mongols.

I used the reference from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine  (sorry ):

Following the invasion of the Mongol Empire in the late 1250s, the Egyptian Mamluks reunified Palestine under its control, before the Ottoman Empire conquered the region in 1516 and ruled it as Ottoman Syria to the 20th century, largely undisrupted.

So would this resuly in there being another group of occupiers to add to the list?

Thats a good way to look at it, I agree its always good to understand different perspectives.

Always enjoy talking to you

There's no need to worry about what Trump says, he won't last twelve months.  I predict either a heart attack or nervous breakdown. 

Thanks for taking the time to share Billy.  You write very clearly for me and I always welcome information from ACTUAL people that are known to me, when i know, that they know, more than i do about a subject.

This subject area is very delicate and many people have extremely charged views.  I understand the importance of these matters and I want to understand and learn people's understanding from every angle so that one day clarity may emerge in my head?

.....like that ever happens!!

I would agree that all countries are just made up, in that people construct artificial borders to divide and separate areas of land and sea. Take the UK first instance, and correct me if I’m wrong, I believe that when the Romans left Britannia, or some of the Romans left, the regional kingdoms in the area we know as England were involved in conflict over the next 500 years or so. Great Britain came into being only in 1707. This is one example of shifting borders. The length of time of the existence of borders to claim a country or state doesn’t exist tends to be a flawed argument. 

Hi Number, always a pleasure to talk to you. You ask an interesting question. The name Palestine has been used for the land since Roman times, the Romans actually invented the word as an insult to the people who lived there because it derived from the much derided Philistines.

However, the historical distinction is between a region called Palestine, historically lived in by Jews for thousands of years and Arabs since the 6th century AD and an ethnic people called the Palestinians, an idea that was only invented in 1967,

The British mandate of Palestine after WW1 encompassed the land that is now Israel, Jordan and the Palestinian Territories. It was inhabited by Jews (who had legally purchased land from Arab landowners) and Syrian Arabs. No Arab in the region ever considered themselves a Palestinian. This is an important distinction. 

After the 1948 and 1967 wars where all the sorrounding Arab nations attempted to wipe Israel off the map but lost, the idea of a Palestinain nation was created by Yasser Arafat and the PLO. This identity was then used as a stick to beat Israel with, promoting the idea around the world that Israel was somehow not allowing the Palestinian people a state, an idea which is factually incorrect, as the British mandate of Palestine had already been divided into a Jewish and Arab state,the Arab state being Jordan which is far bigger than Israel interestingly. 

Aren't ALL countries just made up, though? It's all arbitary.

I think that you have confused the Mamluks with the Mongols. The Mongol steamroller, after destroying Baghdad and the rest of  Mesopotamia, was halted by the Mamluk Sultanate of Egypt at the Battle of Ain Jalut.