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Gaza

TheCatWoman

Trump has announced that he thinks all Paletstinians should be moved from Gaza and into neighbouring countries where they can live in nice new modern homes, America will take over Gaza and turn it into a massive resort and it will create lots of jobs and money.

Why should the Palestinians have to give up thier country?

Where would they go? Both Egypt and Jordan have said they can't/won't accept them and why should they, they both have the same pressure with migration the rest of the world has.

Does America intend to fund all these new homes etc and where would they be?

Who would staff all these hotels etc in this new resort?

Where would they live?

Who will profit from this enterprise

Any move to displace the Palestinians would break at least two international treaties, so will Trump be forced to take any notice of the treaties the US has made previously, or does he just intend to ignore them?

Does anyone else think this is a totally stupid idea?

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  • There is no such thing as a Palestinian nation or indeed a Palestinian nationality. 

    From 1948 until 1967 Gaza and the West Bank were ruled by Egypt and Jordan. They did not provide the people who lived their with a state but instead kept them in permanent poverty. Israel only took control of the region after they were attacked by Jordan, Egypt and Syria in 1967.
    In 2005 Israel unilaterally withdrew from Gaza and the West Bank. The citizens of Gaza promptly voted in the terrorist group Hamas as their government in democratic elections the following year. The idea of "occupied territories" is a myth, Israel have withdrawn from this land since 2005.
    When they left Israel spend thousands of dollars laying complicated irrigation systems for the people of Gaza before they left so that the area would never be without clean, running water. Hamas then filmed themselves digging up these systems and using the material to make rockets to fire at Israel. They have kept their people in abject poverty since as a propaganda tool despite being given hundreds of millions of dollars in aid from the Western world and indeed from the Israelis themselves. Even the former head of Hamas stated that if all the aid that has been given to Gaza had been used for the good of the people then Gaza would be as "rich as Dubai". Instead, the money has been used by Hamas to buy weapons, build a network of tunnels and fund terror attacks into Israel, including the genocidal and horrific attacks on civilians on October 7th, which started this current war. 
    There is no Palestinian state because historically there is no such group as the Palestinians. The idea of a national group called the Palestinians was invented by Yasser Arafat as a campaign tool to wage war against Israel. Before that the idea of Palestinian nationality never existed. Indeed, most of the Arab inhabitants of the region though of themselves as Syrian. 
    Jews began moving back to the land in question in the 1800s, legally purchasing large chunks of land from the Arabs living there who were happy to sell it to them because it was arid , uncultivated desert. The Jews began cultivating the land and making it bountiful and fruitful. Ironically this made more Arabs move to the land as it was so prosperous.
    The land of TransJordan was created as an independent state in 1921 for the Arabs in the region. The land that remained encompassed both Jews and Arabs, including , after 1945, many Jews who had survived Hitler's extermination camps, an actual genocide.
    A two state solution for the remaining land was offered in 1946, one Jewish, one Arab. This was accepted by the Jews and rejected by the Arabs. If they had accepted, there would have been a "Palestinian" state back then.
    Over the decades, Israel has offered countless peace deals to the Palestinian Authority, Hamas and the PLO. All have been rejected for one simple reason, the leaders of the Palestinian territories are committed to the destruction of Israel and will not accept any peace deal that leaves a Jewish state in existance. The founding charter of Hamas says Hamas will not rest until every Jew on earth is dead. It is impossible for Israel to make peace in such circumstances. 

    Sorry for the long post but I have been studying this topic almost my entire life and really felt the need to post on this

    I wish you peace and wish you well
  • in reply to Billy87

    Aren't ALL countries just made up, though? It's all arbitary.

  • in reply to SpikeyMark

    I would agree that all countries are just made up, in that people construct artificial borders to divide and separate areas of land and sea. Take the UK first instance, and correct me if I’m wrong, I believe that when the Romans left Britannia, or some of the Romans left, the regional kingdoms in the area we know as England were involved in conflict over the next 500 years or so. Great Britain came into being only in 1707. This is one example of shifting borders. The length of time of the existence of borders to claim a country or state doesn’t exist tends to be a flawed argument. 

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  • in reply to SpikeyMark

    I would agree that all countries are just made up, in that people construct artificial borders to divide and separate areas of land and sea. Take the UK first instance, and correct me if I’m wrong, I believe that when the Romans left Britannia, or some of the Romans left, the regional kingdoms in the area we know as England were involved in conflict over the next 500 years or so. Great Britain came into being only in 1707. This is one example of shifting borders. The length of time of the existence of borders to claim a country or state doesn’t exist tends to be a flawed argument. 

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  • in reply to Iain

    I’m using Apple safari and I just got blocked but changed search engine to Yahoo. I can’t send the last photo and I’ve had to cut large chunks off the two sent. I’ll try again. Gosh this forum isn’t easy to use and I am having to keep scrolling to seek the lost thread.  

  • in reply to ArchaeC

    are you using windows 10 or 11?

  • in reply to Iain

    It is saying that the file is too large, yet I have sent it in ‘most compatible format’. I can’t see how to adjust the pixels or what the dimensions should be.

  • in reply to ArchaeC
    ArchaeC said:
    Do you know how I might post photos here?

    you click on the Insert option on the bar at the bottom of the editing window, chose image/video/file and then click on the upload link (not very clear) and lastly set the pixel dimensions (a bit buggy so do it slowly).

  • in reply to Iain

    And to go to back earlier than the Bible, science shows that all present-day individuals of non-African ancestry are decendents of the first African ‘migrants’. The Bible has some useful facts that can be backed up by historical and archaeological evidence. Mainstream biblical scholars coming from Protestant and Catholic perspectives, are largely in agreement that the Old Testament in its current form originated from different source material from different periods. Some of the material has been redacted from sources to serve a theological purpose rather than to provide an accurate account of dates and events.

    The English edition of the Israeli “Haaretz Newspaper” gives hope that Trump’s dreams will not materialise. I am trying to upload a screenshot of it but it just gives me a blank image and says no URL uploaded. Do you know how I might post photos here? Usually it is just copy and paste jpeg. 

  • in reply to ArchaeC

    Go back to the ice age and the UK was part of the European land mass with all the area of the North Sea as land too. Are we really part of Germany, France, Denmark or even (good lord no) Belgium?

    Choosing where to draw lines in things historically is a fools game largely as most parties just choose the version of hisrory that suits their agenda.

    Israel has quite a unique origin in terms of it was a voice that some guys heard in their head that they beleived was god and they took this as law:

    In Genesis 12:7, God promises Abram, who had just arrived in Canaan, “To your offspring I will give this land.” Later, in Genesis 15:18, God expands on that unconditional promise: “To your descendants I have given this land, From the river of Egypt as far as the great river, the river Euphrates” (NASB). Then, in Genesis 17:8, God reiterates the promise to Abraham, adding that the land gift is irrevocable: “The whole land of Canaan, where you now reside as a foreigner, I will give as an everlasting possession to you and your descendants after you.” God later repeats the promise to Abraham’s son Isaac (Genesis 26:3–4) and Isaac’s son Jacob (Genesis 28:13), whose name God later changed to Israel.

    An unusual way to claim land rights when the people already there do not even follow the same religion.