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TheCatWoman

Trump has announced that he thinks all Paletstinians should be moved from Gaza and into neighbouring countries where they can live in nice new modern homes, America will take over Gaza and turn it into a massive resort and it will create lots of jobs and money.

Why should the Palestinians have to give up thier country?

Where would they go? Both Egypt and Jordan have said they can't/won't accept them and why should they, they both have the same pressure with migration the rest of the world has.

Does America intend to fund all these new homes etc and where would they be?

Who would staff all these hotels etc in this new resort?

Where would they live?

Who will profit from this enterprise

Any move to displace the Palestinians would break at least two international treaties, so will Trump be forced to take any notice of the treaties the US has made previously, or does he just intend to ignore them?

Does anyone else think this is a totally stupid idea?

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  • There is no such thing as a Palestinian nation or indeed a Palestinian nationality. 

    From 1948 until 1967 Gaza and the West Bank were ruled by Egypt and Jordan. They did not provide the people who lived their with a state but instead kept them in permanent poverty. Israel only took control of the region after they were attacked by Jordan, Egypt and Syria in 1967.
    In 2005 Israel unilaterally withdrew from Gaza and the West Bank. The citizens of Gaza promptly voted in the terrorist group Hamas as their government in democratic elections the following year. The idea of "occupied territories" is a myth, Israel have withdrawn from this land since 2005.
    When they left Israel spend thousands of dollars laying complicated irrigation systems for the people of Gaza before they left so that the area would never be without clean, running water. Hamas then filmed themselves digging up these systems and using the material to make rockets to fire at Israel. They have kept their people in abject poverty since as a propaganda tool despite being given hundreds of millions of dollars in aid from the Western world and indeed from the Israelis themselves. Even the former head of Hamas stated that if all the aid that has been given to Gaza had been used for the good of the people then Gaza would be as "rich as Dubai". Instead, the money has been used by Hamas to buy weapons, build a network of tunnels and fund terror attacks into Israel, including the genocidal and horrific attacks on civilians on October 7th, which started this current war. 
    There is no Palestinian state because historically there is no such group as the Palestinians. The idea of a national group called the Palestinians was invented by Yasser Arafat as a campaign tool to wage war against Israel. Before that the idea of Palestinian nationality never existed. Indeed, most of the Arab inhabitants of the region though of themselves as Syrian. 
    Jews began moving back to the land in question in the 1800s, legally purchasing large chunks of land from the Arabs living there who were happy to sell it to them because it was arid , uncultivated desert. The Jews began cultivating the land and making it bountiful and fruitful. Ironically this made more Arabs move to the land as it was so prosperous.
    The land of TransJordan was created as an independent state in 1921 for the Arabs in the region. The land that remained encompassed both Jews and Arabs, including , after 1945, many Jews who had survived Hitler's extermination camps, an actual genocide.
    A two state solution for the remaining land was offered in 1946, one Jewish, one Arab. This was accepted by the Jews and rejected by the Arabs. If they had accepted, there would have been a "Palestinian" state back then.
    Over the decades, Israel has offered countless peace deals to the Palestinian Authority, Hamas and the PLO. All have been rejected for one simple reason, the leaders of the Palestinian territories are committed to the destruction of Israel and will not accept any peace deal that leaves a Jewish state in existance. The founding charter of Hamas says Hamas will not rest until every Jew on earth is dead. It is impossible for Israel to make peace in such circumstances. 

    Sorry for the long post but I have been studying this topic almost my entire life and really felt the need to post on this

    I wish you peace and wish you well
  • in reply to Billy87

    Hi Billy......nice to see you sir.

    I have NOT been studying this topic all my life......but I'm always pleased to be 'prompted' to look at things.....and you just did that for me with your post here.

    I have a trite mantra that is not special to me....ie...."follow the money" when trying to understand something.  Accordingly, I googled "Palestin e coin" and got a lot of hits, of various years, ranging from 1927 onwards.

    This is not a "challenge to your writing here, nor at you personally".......I'm just interested Billy......why are there coins stamped/cast with the word "Palestin e" if Ara fat invented the concept of people from that place?

    I start from a pre-position of "knowing" that this is one of the most intractable and uncomfortable matters of modern history and current affairs.  Beyond that, I'm a bit "otherly" on this topic......but as you know.....I LOVE to learn!

    With peace and well wishes to you always,

    Number.

  • in reply to Deleted User

    Hi Number, always a pleasure to talk to you. You ask an interesting question. The name Palestine has been used for the land since Roman times, the Romans actually invented the word as an insult to the people who lived there because it derived from the much derided Philistines.

    However, the historical distinction is between a region called Palestine, historically lived in by Jews for thousands of years and Arabs since the 6th century AD and an ethnic people called the Palestinians, an idea that was only invented in 1967,

    The British mandate of Palestine after WW1 encompassed the land that is now Israel, Jordan and the Palestinian Territories. It was inhabited by Jews (who had legally purchased land from Arab landowners) and Syrian Arabs. No Arab in the region ever considered themselves a Palestinian. This is an important distinction. 

    After the 1948 and 1967 wars where all the sorrounding Arab nations attempted to wipe Israel off the map but lost, the idea of a Palestinain nation was created by Yasser Arafat and the PLO. This identity was then used as a stick to beat Israel with, promoting the idea around the world that Israel was somehow not allowing the Palestinian people a state, an idea which is factually incorrect, as the British mandate of Palestine had already been divided into a Jewish and Arab state,the Arab state being Jordan which is far bigger than Israel interestingly. 

  • in reply to Billy87
    Billy87 said:
    No Arab in the region ever considered themselves a Palestinian

    The term Palestine first appeared in the 5th century BCE when the ancient Greek historian Herodotus wrote of a "district of Syria, called Palaistinê" between Phoenicia and Egypt in The Histories.

    So 2400 years earlier the name of the area of Palestine existed but it was part of Syria then.

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  • in reply to Billy87
    Billy87 said:
    No Arab in the region ever considered themselves a Palestinian

    The term Palestine first appeared in the 5th century BCE when the ancient Greek historian Herodotus wrote of a "district of Syria, called Palaistinê" between Phoenicia and Egypt in The Histories.

    So 2400 years earlier the name of the area of Palestine existed but it was part of Syria then.

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