Non voter

I believe it’s important to vote for someone, even if it’s the least worst option, but I think the arguments for and against are not always clear cut in today’s world. I also believe it’s is important to offer financial protection and a living income to those who are unable to do any work through sickness or disability. It is sickening how society has demonised these people.

Voting is enabling a corrupt system that needs to collapse under the weight of its own corruption and is too corrupt beyond repair to ever again be fit for purpose, regardless of who one votes for, it makes no difference any more - if voting really did anything useful, voting would be illegal - democracy is deception, illusion and delusion - there is no political nor democratic solution - I used to believe in democracy and the democratic process, the courts etc, before Covid in 2020, but during 2022, I gradually realised that it was all a total sham and a total con - my native Ireland is very close to total collapse long before the U.K. and besides, we are far closer than ever to a global nuke war than we have ever been during the Cold War with so many other hostile nuke nations hostile to the west having nukes and they are not afraid to use them - if any attempt is made by NATO or the CCP to invade Russia after its defeat in Ukraine, even if Putin and/or his generals are removed from power, Russia’s nukes are on an automatic firing system and despite what they said to Russia and everyone else, if it suits them, the CCP will fire its nukes at the West if they feel it’s to their advantage 

Good lord, you must be fun to be sat next to at a dinner party LOL

What things inspire hope and joy for you? Puppies, long walks on the beach, a freshly baked cake?

Finding the balance to so much negativity about the world is important to peoples mental health so I wonder how you manage this.

For me it is working with my hands and doing charity work plus I love good food - these things all make me smile and forget about all the bad things in life for at least a little while.

All that said, I agree the voting system is pretty unfit for purpose, but there is yet to be a significantly better solution. PR is better but not by much.

Interesting. He was still describing himself as gay in posts only 7 days ago.

I suspect Irish is going through something at the moment.

 IrishInManchesterUK   Maybe take a break and reflect on what you’re going through?

You can stand by what you said, that's fine. But your arguments have no basis in reality. You've constructed, or more likely been presented from some odd corner of the internet, with an intellectual house of cards, that can't withstand even the most gentle element of enquiry. Because it can't stand interrogation, its proponents make bad-faith arguments about the people pointing out its inconsistencies. 

As someone who has studied history, I struggle with the argument we are in a uniquely terrible place at the moment. In countless ways, we are incredibly lucky historically - in terms health, life-expectancy, access to a wide range of food, education, literacy, medicine.  I can point to plenty of things I would like to change, but there is no problem that calls for the kind of violent, repressive militarism you're suggesting. There is no way that would provide any kind of solution, it would merely be an arbitrarily violent society that would turn into a powder keg.

When you say things like "frankly, we are in no position to have any other viewpoints," you're talking purely for yourself. We, are of course, free to have any number of other viewpoints and you cannot force your opinion on us. 

If you're sincere, and you really do believe all of this, then I would gently like to suggest you interrogate some of the sources you are using for your information. I think it's absolutely right to question and critique ideas and concepts and not to purely take things on their word. But you need to apply that as much to the conspiracy theorists as you should to established media sources, governments, and agencies. Why do the former get a free pass? Why are they authorities that can be trusted? Who are they?

I notice on your profile you refer to yourself as 'ex-gay', if that means you've been through some kind of conversion therapy to align your sexuality with an orthodox Catholic faith, then that perhaps provides some insight into your thinking. I don't believe you can forcibly change your sexuality and become ex-gay, ex-bi, or ex-straight, although sexuality can and does evolve and change over time. To sustain the idea of yourself as ex-gay, you have to commit to a great deal of repressive self-policing. I think it's entirely your right to do that as an adult in a free society, but what you can't do or expect, is for that micro personal struggle to be expanded to a macro societal level.

You're welcome to your faith, and your political beliefs, and your identity as ex-gay and the moral framework that underpins it. But other people are also free to point out that it sounds completely crackpot, and it seems to be coming from quite an unhappy place.

I suspect there may be other ways to ameliorate your unhappiness that don't require military dictatorship.  

IrishInManchesterUK said:

only solution is a Millitary dictatorship government (the most transparent form of government there is) with no one milltary leader taking overall power and having a permanent national state of emergency, permanent martial law via Millitary courts and permanent police state with armed police and armed milltary on our streets - a dedicated and all powerful armed religious milltary morality police must be established to enforce traditional Christian religious teachings by a show of overwhelming milltary force to ensure absolute compliance and actively prevent all dissent, with the sweeping legal powers to instruct all other bodies like councils, police and army to carry out certain actions 

Hello Irish, I would like  to point you to the governments definition of extremism:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/new-definition-of-extremism-2024/new-definition-of-extremism-2024

Extremism can lead to the radicalisation of individuals, deny people their full rights and opportunities, suppress freedom of expression, incite hatred, erode our democratic institutions, social capital and cohesion, and can lead to acts of terrorism.

I'm afraid your willingness to deny us out democracy by overthrowing a government will clearly put you firmly in the extremist camp.

I know you despise the governments and probably don't believe what they say, but for now they run the aparatus of the police and military so they would happily crush you for being a potential threat to their rule.

With this risk to your wellbeing now being apparent I would urge you to please shut up about your extremism and return to less contentious discussions.

I totally stand by all of what I have said, as it is the only way to defeat the globalist deep state and its leftist underlings - frankly, we are not in any position to have any other viewpoints and there is simply no alternative, as the stakes at this point are way too high, given the immense social damage that has been caused by leftists and their globalist masters since WW1, WW2, the 1960’s, post 9/11 and since Covid

You're describing a nightmare-ish, authoritarian dystopia straight out of 1984. 'Absolute compliance' backed up by 'overwhelming military force', and the prevention of all dissent. 

You say there's no such thing as 'far right' and then call for a society which by any number of definitions comfortably meets the criteria for far right. The restrictions we went through because of Covid would be nothing like the ones we'd experience under what you describe. 

I think there are two words to describe the above diatribe, clinically barking!

Are you all right? 

Over the last few days more and more people have been posting on LinkedIn that they would never normally talk about politics on a platform meant for professional and career issues, and where they are clearly associated with their employer, but that given what has happened in the US, they can no longer stay silent. 

That’s it’s time we stopped politely ignoring extremist comments and the fools, idiots and nut cases that spread and support them. We need to stop being tolerant of fascists and criminals.

They of course will have no problem with us exercising our right to absolute free speech.

That, apart from the Christian angle, is what they have in Iran. The majority of Iranians do not seem particularly happy with it. Let's hope your dystopia never comes to pass.

IrishInManchesterUK said:

the only solution is a Millitary dictatorship government (the most transparent form of government there is) with no one milltary leader taking overall power and having a permanent national state of emergency, permanent martial law via Millitary courts and permanent police state with armed police and armed milltary on our streets - a dedicated and all powerful armed religious milltary morality police must be established to enforce traditional Christian religious teachings by a show of overwhelming milltary force to ensure absolute compliance and actively prevent all dissent, with the sweeping legal powers to instruct all other bodies like councils, police and army to carry out certain actions 

I still read your diatribes in a state of distraught disbelief.

Unfortunately, the ignore function was never given to us and I am unable to ignore you.

I will say the same things to you that I said a couple of years back - look at history, look at the world where totalitarian states still exist, look at the abuse perpetrated by the Catholic Church and the evil perpetrated by religious zealots.

It's people like you that would run the state as you describe, and I'd rather be dead to be honest.

Seek help Irish. Seriously.

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Interesting. He was still describing himself as gay in posts only 7 days ago.

I suspect Irish is going through something at the moment.

 IrishInManchesterUK   Maybe take a break and reflect on what you’re going through?

You can stand by what you said, that's fine. But your arguments have no basis in reality. You've constructed, or more likely been presented from some odd corner of the internet, with an intellectual house of cards, that can't withstand even the most gentle element of enquiry. Because it can't stand interrogation, its proponents make bad-faith arguments about the people pointing out its inconsistencies. 

As someone who has studied history, I struggle with the argument we are in a uniquely terrible place at the moment. In countless ways, we are incredibly lucky historically - in terms health, life-expectancy, access to a wide range of food, education, literacy, medicine.  I can point to plenty of things I would like to change, but there is no problem that calls for the kind of violent, repressive militarism you're suggesting. There is no way that would provide any kind of solution, it would merely be an arbitrarily violent society that would turn into a powder keg.

When you say things like "frankly, we are in no position to have any other viewpoints," you're talking purely for yourself. We, are of course, free to have any number of other viewpoints and you cannot force your opinion on us. 

If you're sincere, and you really do believe all of this, then I would gently like to suggest you interrogate some of the sources you are using for your information. I think it's absolutely right to question and critique ideas and concepts and not to purely take things on their word. But you need to apply that as much to the conspiracy theorists as you should to established media sources, governments, and agencies. Why do the former get a free pass? Why are they authorities that can be trusted? Who are they?

I notice on your profile you refer to yourself as 'ex-gay', if that means you've been through some kind of conversion therapy to align your sexuality with an orthodox Catholic faith, then that perhaps provides some insight into your thinking. I don't believe you can forcibly change your sexuality and become ex-gay, ex-bi, or ex-straight, although sexuality can and does evolve and change over time. To sustain the idea of yourself as ex-gay, you have to commit to a great deal of repressive self-policing. I think it's entirely your right to do that as an adult in a free society, but what you can't do or expect, is for that micro personal struggle to be expanded to a macro societal level.

You're welcome to your faith, and your political beliefs, and your identity as ex-gay and the moral framework that underpins it. But other people are also free to point out that it sounds completely crackpot, and it seems to be coming from quite an unhappy place.

I suspect there may be other ways to ameliorate your unhappiness that don't require military dictatorship.  

IrishInManchesterUK said:

only solution is a Millitary dictatorship government (the most transparent form of government there is) with no one milltary leader taking overall power and having a permanent national state of emergency, permanent martial law via Millitary courts and permanent police state with armed police and armed milltary on our streets - a dedicated and all powerful armed religious milltary morality police must be established to enforce traditional Christian religious teachings by a show of overwhelming milltary force to ensure absolute compliance and actively prevent all dissent, with the sweeping legal powers to instruct all other bodies like councils, police and army to carry out certain actions 

Hello Irish, I would like  to point you to the governments definition of extremism:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/new-definition-of-extremism-2024/new-definition-of-extremism-2024

Extremism can lead to the radicalisation of individuals, deny people their full rights and opportunities, suppress freedom of expression, incite hatred, erode our democratic institutions, social capital and cohesion, and can lead to acts of terrorism.

I'm afraid your willingness to deny us out democracy by overthrowing a government will clearly put you firmly in the extremist camp.

I know you despise the governments and probably don't believe what they say, but for now they run the aparatus of the police and military so they would happily crush you for being a potential threat to their rule.

With this risk to your wellbeing now being apparent I would urge you to please shut up about your extremism and return to less contentious discussions.

I totally stand by all of what I have said, as it is the only way to defeat the globalist deep state and its leftist underlings - frankly, we are not in any position to have any other viewpoints and there is simply no alternative, as the stakes at this point are way too high, given the immense social damage that has been caused by leftists and their globalist masters since WW1, WW2, the 1960’s, post 9/11 and since Covid

You're describing a nightmare-ish, authoritarian dystopia straight out of 1984. 'Absolute compliance' backed up by 'overwhelming military force', and the prevention of all dissent. 

You say there's no such thing as 'far right' and then call for a society which by any number of definitions comfortably meets the criteria for far right. The restrictions we went through because of Covid would be nothing like the ones we'd experience under what you describe. 

I think there are two words to describe the above diatribe, clinically barking!

Are you all right? 

Over the last few days more and more people have been posting on LinkedIn that they would never normally talk about politics on a platform meant for professional and career issues, and where they are clearly associated with their employer, but that given what has happened in the US, they can no longer stay silent. 

That’s it’s time we stopped politely ignoring extremist comments and the fools, idiots and nut cases that spread and support them. We need to stop being tolerant of fascists and criminals.

They of course will have no problem with us exercising our right to absolute free speech.

That, apart from the Christian angle, is what they have in Iran. The majority of Iranians do not seem particularly happy with it. Let's hope your dystopia never comes to pass.

IrishInManchesterUK said:

the only solution is a Millitary dictatorship government (the most transparent form of government there is) with no one milltary leader taking overall power and having a permanent national state of emergency, permanent martial law via Millitary courts and permanent police state with armed police and armed milltary on our streets - a dedicated and all powerful armed religious milltary morality police must be established to enforce traditional Christian religious teachings by a show of overwhelming milltary force to ensure absolute compliance and actively prevent all dissent, with the sweeping legal powers to instruct all other bodies like councils, police and army to carry out certain actions 

I still read your diatribes in a state of distraught disbelief.

Unfortunately, the ignore function was never given to us and I am unable to ignore you.

I will say the same things to you that I said a couple of years back - look at history, look at the world where totalitarian states still exist, look at the abuse perpetrated by the Catholic Church and the evil perpetrated by religious zealots.

It's people like you that would run the state as you describe, and I'd rather be dead to be honest.

Seek help Irish. Seriously.