Patience on Channel 4

I've only watched the first couple of episodes, but I felt similarly. There's just so much that rings true about her experience. 

That's what I thought! I was trying to say this below, but you put it far better.

Not just me that ended up tearful then!

Binged watched this weekend and loved it. 

The scenes in the Autistic Adults group seem to be designed to inform an NT audience about issues of import to Autistic people, which is helpful.

Hehe - common - that's me too! :-)

Agreed on all counts.  I too find Patience attractive.  Hehe platonic love for me of course as I am married :-)  Great to see autistic actors being autistic.  I am really interested to find out and get an insight of how neurotypical people see and respond to the series.  I imagine that some people ill find it easier to put themselves "in the shoes" of different characters according to where they are and what they are able to.  I wish this and similar media presentations to work as a good "Trojan Horse" for autism.  

Hehe slightly old (fashioned) I'll hold my hand up to that :-)

yep - culture expects quick and simple these days.  Getting to appreciate things can take longer and more sustained experience and that depends upon the public appetite to engage for longer maybe...

Okay, I have binge watched the rest of Patience now. And I think I’ve fallen in love with her.

The series is quite different from Astrid et Raphaelle - which was more entertaining and quirky and probably better paced - but Patience is probably the best portrayal of autism I have seen and I am overwhelmed with empathy for her.

Yep - I've met them too.  Always been tricky for me to know what to do about it.  Having someone like Detective Bea "on our side" is important for balancing the score.

As for trying to explain everything at once - yes agreed - difficult....  The way that they started with basic ideas of autism and developed them gradually thro' the next episodes.  I think is reasonably well done.  In the last episode of "Astrid" the lead character summed things up about themselves as "I don't do stress and I don't do change easily..." (or something like that)  I have a little teaching training - tell them what you're going to teach. teach them it, tell them what you've taught them" is a pretty good strategy.  In some ways "Inform. Entertain, Educate" are pretty good when we explore public broadcasting :-)

Ah now I understand. With that explanation I completely agree. I'd have liked to see the characters doing their normal thing and get to know them separately before they came together to help each other. If they'd made it over more episodes I think it'd have flowed better and I'd have found it less clunky.

A gallon is 8 pints, a quart is a quarter of a gallon or 2 pints (just under a litre), a pint pot is a glass beer mug that holds a traditional British pint of beer in a pub. It's a slightly old fashioned, but common British saying, meaning that something is being squeezed into a container half the size it needs to be.

Yes, I will do my best to Expecto_Patronum :-) It comes from units of liquid measurement. A quart(-er) of a gallon is 2 pints.  So putting 2 pints in a one pint container leads to problems.  I mean to suggest that the Patience series is trying to put too much content into too few episodes. Sorry I did not explain this well to start with.

Could you explain what a quart in a pint pot means please?

Sadly the review is still on their website. Ironically it is proof we need dramas like Patience to educate people.

I think you might be right, Phased, a quart in a pint pot will always be an issue when trying to explain in a drama, the persective of once character.

I've met so many men like Detective Bea's sidekick and her boss too, typical NT's in thier superior attitudes towards anyone a bit different. They make perfect foils for Bea and Patience, I hope people concentrate on thier interactions with Patience as much as they Patience's with everyone else. By watching the two guys one can see how much non verbal stuff is going on and all the micro-aggressions, assumptions and suspicions ND's face.

The Guardian article seems to have been pulled. Perhaps they realised how silly her comments were.

Hi @Martyn et al :-)  As others have pointed out the support scene is potentially unsettling.  Nonetheless I am of the opinion that it is a presentation of several aspects of autism both in behaviours and experiences.   Perhaps that is why it is unsettling as it does resonate with autistic life.  Sometimes things need to be stirred up a bit to get things to happen.  Gratifyingly the group is able to support one another both individually and collectively.  At the risk of being clunky myself - it reflects this forum :-)

I think the series is a good effort and I would give it 7/10 :-) with plenty signs such representations of autism are improving and can continue in that direction.

As Hergé  highlights the view is very narrow - yes - Patience is an archetype in several senses of the word and , at the risk of being too clever about it, she is a presented as a source of wisdom conventionally and perhaps realistically unavailable to the neurotypical perspective. 

As I analyse it, in the original Franco/Belgian program it took three series for the characters and plot to develop to roughly where the new series leaves it.   This gave more time for the viewer and the characters to develop insight and change perspective.  Also more time for some great sometimes whacky detecting and thought provoking stories :-)  This perhaps picks up on what Expecto_Patronum expresses about it being clunky and jumping forward too quickly.

At the risk of being stereotypical about it, the new is nowhere near as sexy as the original one - hehe maybe the difference between being set in York instead of Paris!

Also the way Patience is presented as being different in the UK version is in some ways more realistic and subtle - I reckon this has its pros and cons too.

Overall I think that Channel 4 and the production team are to be applauded for the series however they have perhaps tried to "put a quart in a pint pot"

I'm watching it now on catch up. The support group scene was a bit unsettling for me.

The overall perception or view is very narrow, a gifted but different and often misunderstood young woman navigating the often difficult situation she is presented with.

The performances are good and I get a sense of the growing empathy and understanding from the detective, particularly in the light of her acceptance of her son's pending diagnosis. (Spoiler alert).

I've got one more episode to go. Overall I'm enjoying the drama and better representation.

Okay, I will admit the very last scene in the third episode of Patience made my eyes wet.