Build a better forum

There’s been a lot of chat recently about what’s wrong with this forum. So let’s see if we can turn that into a positive and come up with how we would like a new forum to work. I’m not suggesting at this stage that I or anyone else will actually build such a forum. That might happen. But a lot of things would need to be agreed upon first before building a new forum would be worthwhile.

In my experience as a software and hardware engineer of many years, such a thing would not be trivial. It will take a lot of planning, discussion and thrashing out of ideas before we even put finger to keyboard. Figuring out what to build is often harder than building and testing it.

Let’s have positive ideas noted down here. Negatives are not welcome. Talk about what you want, not what you don’t want. Think about how your idea would actually work before you post so that we don’t have to wade through too many infeasible ideas.

I will start by saying that I think this current forum starts from a good place, with great volunteers and some good rules. Execution isn’t great, but that’s not the fault of the people running it. More, I suspect, the technology and those providing it. So I think the current principles and rules are sound and therefore let me start with some basic suggestions based on those. These are for discussion. They’re not absolutes.

1. Privacy first

Users may not disclose any personally identifying information. Accounts will be linked to an email address for practical reasons but this will not be displayed. A nickname will be shown instead. An avatar can be used but it cannot contain identifying imagery. Messages cannot contain phone numbers. Other media cannot be uploaded. No urls or other external  info. The forum is for discussion only. That might need some work, especially around urls. 

2. Moderation 

Full moderation destroys the immediacy of chat and isn’t welcome. The downside to that is that bad content will appear at some point. We probably need to use an automatic scoring system that flags accounts with markers which causes a human moderator to notified if a threshold is breached. The odd misdemeanour can pass without comment but regularly repeated triggers of the automated scanning requires the attention of a human. Accounts can be marked for pre-moderation if deemed necessary for a while, or even blocked as a severe penalty. 

3. Reputation

Lots of problem free posts together with likes can drive up a reputation score for each account. Perhaps a high reputation feeds into the moderation threshold. Perhaps it allows the use or urls etc. 

4. Right to be forgotten

Don’t keep discussions forever. Most stuff is just chat that can be destroyed after a few months and probably should be. Mods can be requested to lock an important discussion or make it sticky for a while or keep it indefinitely  

5. Keep it simple

Initially go for just a basic text chat. Markdown but no major formatting. Chat group categories for organisation. Other features can be added later. 

Let the specification begin!

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  • These are two forums I know have been made since my time here, and sadly, they both appear to be inactive.

    By Ausomely Autistic:

    https://autopia.freeforums.net/

    By Peter:

    https://areyoualien.uk/phpBB3/index.php

    There appears to be a lot of spam on Peter's so then we get to the problematic question of spam filters.

    Vastly overactive here but on the Shutterstock forum they were underactive and eventually they just shut the forum down because they couldn't be bothered to pay someone to deal with the spam and generally moderate it.

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  • These are two forums I know have been made since my time here, and sadly, they both appear to be inactive.

    By Ausomely Autistic:

    https://autopia.freeforums.net/

    By Peter:

    https://areyoualien.uk/phpBB3/index.php

    There appears to be a lot of spam on Peter's so then we get to the problematic question of spam filters.

    Vastly overactive here but on the Shutterstock forum they were underactive and eventually they just shut the forum down because they couldn't be bothered to pay someone to deal with the spam and generally moderate it.

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  • I was admin on a forum run on the same platform Peter runs his forum on.. 

    We came under a directed spam attack where I was hacking them off the site in the hundreds. Handbag sellers in the main as I recall. 

    His only has a little bit of spam that has accrued over a while, because no-one uses it he does spam clearing intermittently.

    "Freecycle" (go look if you haev not) is a small effort that is huge entirely run by volunteers as I understand... It can be done.

    This spam filter is discrimminating against many legitimate users (and myself!) which is ridiculus. MY P.M''s are unuseable.

    Every day one member reaches out to me and apparently they can see that I've sent something but not read the messages.

    If Peter finds removing the spam on his forum onerous. I can help and whomp up a procedure that can be followed by someone else when I get banned, bored, or kark it.