www.belfastlive.co.uk/.../mum-autistic-child-12-hurt-27033456
A twelve-year-old boy, from the Protestant end of Derry, was attacked by Youths asking him whether he supported Celtic or Rangers. He was diagnosed with Autism, and was placed in instant panic.
^ probs my bad, i tend to get sidetracked and go into all the topics i see in a text lol
kinda like chasing all the side quests in games instead of sticking to the main story quest.
... i kinda have a urge to side track myself more by agreeing religion itself can be boring, aside from eastern religions like hinduism and buddhism but thats probably because they are different to a western person like me so theres more to discover about them, plus they more match philosophy rather than western religion and philosophy is more interesting. aside from that the only real interesting part of religion is instead the history as history is more interesting, but rather not the history of religion but history in general, but you cant really go into history without religion being there to get in the way lol
I think if this were to be discussed further it's better to be it's own thread splitting hairs on religion so as not to accidentally hijack one about news of an anti-autist hatecrime.
Not that I would join it because really I just stepped back in for a slither of a moment to share the Comedian vid to try help bring the mood back up, religion as it's own conversation gets very understimmulating very quickly for me though, so I'll pass.
Not really. The Reformation birthed lots of smaller Protestant dominations around the same time. There were lots of contributing factors. A push to translate the Bible into new languages along with the printing press making it much more available, massive improvements in literacy, and of course the church‘s own very bad behaviour. When they started selling indulgences in a big way, The so-called licenses to sin, they lost a lot of moral credibility in peoples eyes.
what tended to happen is in cities and nations that supported the religious descent different churches sprang up which had similar but different ideas and tended to have different figureheads. But Martin Luther in Germany was by far and away the most famous figurehead. But in reality each nation had its own particular flavour of reformed Protestant church, either that or underground churches.
anglicanism is unusual in so far as the king not only permitted and even endorsed the Reformation, but actively promoted it and declared himself to be the head of the new church.
Protestantism for better or for worse was an English invention stemming from Henry VIII being frankly a bit of a kn*b
I think a lot of lutherans would take issue with that. I’m assuming you meant to say Anglicanism?
yeah but it was also kinda the first brexit too when you think on it... england wanting to split off from outside forces ruling us from the vatican and dictating to us and demanding we fight in genocidal crusades in foreign lands, so put that way the church of england was more moral. and it didnt start any conflict inside Christianity at all.
you know what started conflict in christianity though? .... catholicism.... when it started the 4th crusades.... against christianity itself by attacking the orthodox church and destroying byzantium which opened the door for islam and a new islamic state to take a large powerful part of europe and wipe it out to which europe has never recovered from to this day. catholicism is the only one that seems to create brother wars lol henrys creation didnt start wars but rather was used for the fat man to divorce anyone he wanted at will as you said, but there was no christian wars started from the church of england, but there is from the catholic church.
Ditto, except replace Derry with Cork, the other half's Irish side however is actually Derry.
God how awful.
To take this centuries old prejudice out a kid who can't even understand this.
My heart hurts.
I say this as a Derry catholic descendant who believes in a united Ireland free from the UK, but has no truck with savagery or prejudice.
My alligences here are with this autistic kid who has no notion of the history of this divide and just wanted to play.
I know what you mean and I can understand your sentiment given the rise of secularism over the years but Protestantism for better or for worse was an English invention stemming from Henry VIII being frankly a bit of a kn*b (after you realise lack of male heir falls on the father who is responsible for the X or Y chromasome of the child, and he just wanted a swift out so he could try again with a new woman after beheading a few for no fault of their own) also it has always benefitted England to subjugate it's neighbours it might not have always kept it's foot on the gas pedal but in historic terms yes in actual fact England TECHNICALLY did start it. However I am with you, even as I am from a Catholic background it is
all just christianity,
afaic for all intents and purposes. When you consider the greater difference to other religions.
Anyways I've gotten off track - a wee bit. Really TBH I thought you might appreciate this skit by Dara Ó Briain on the topic of Prot' meets Cath' in a wedding.
I replied clarifying one or two things you’ve understandably got muddled on there (the news media tends to use reductive shorthand that significantly obfuscates things to anyone who’s not from NI) - but because I made a refining edit or two, Askimet (I assume) flagged it as spam. Hopefully it will reappear in due course once the mods get a chance to see it’s fine.
I’m less well versed than I should be on the intricacies (because I just want a life detached from all of the whataboutery that will still take a generation or two to fade in a fair few others - I’m not interested in ‘sides’) but even I know that what you’ve said is a bit of a misunderstanding. Put it this way, nobody here during the troubles was fighting over a difference of opinion on transubstantiation or whether clergy should be married or anything like that.
Instead, the main issue has been unionism vs republicanism/nationalism. A territorial dispute. And one over what constituted a fair definition of equal civil rights. I can understand why it seems in a five minute news piece like ‘Catholics vs Protestants’ is what it amounts to. But that’s because unionists tend to be Protestants (though not exclusively) and nationalists tend to be Catholics (though not exclusively). Has it led as a side effect to some bigotry about ‘opposing’ the other religious denomination in a significant minority? Yes. But it’s not really what the whole things been about. No more than it’s been about football teams.
And most Christians here -the vast, vast majority- of any denomination are just good, well intentioned charitably minded people with a faith that guides their hearts, just like it is anywhere else in the world. Lots of inter-faith collaboration just like every other part of the globe. And a fervent hope among the overwhelming majority that nobody else ever gets shot or blown up or attacked because of dislike for the unlike.
But I absolutely understand that soundbite journalism has unhelpfully made it sound otherwise.
its funny irish always blame britain for the violence in ireland and claim "england started it" when infact england did nothing and they started killing each other over their religion, which is the exact same religion anyway if they didnt realise lol then british troops had to stand in the middle of it to stop a the killings of civilians they was doing.
in the uk we dont really have religion.... we have it, but its not important... so we dont get it one bit why ireland is like that. especially seeing as its all just christianity, its not supposed to be at war with itself.... id understand if it was like... in greece or something and orthodox vs catholicism seeing as catholicism ruined byzantium and got most of the greeks wiped out. but thats the only real justification for christianity against christianity.
This is the advantage of watching baseball in the UK, it's so niche compared to the other sports here, I support Red Sox and I have encountered Yankees fans but there is no animosisty it's just gun-fingers and "heeeeyyyyyy", the ribbing is really good natured I guess just because it's just nice to meet someone else who follows it at all.
I remember reading about a jewish boy in Ireland who was asked "are you catholic or Protestant" who responded "I'm a jew," only to be asked if he was "a catholic or Protestant jew?" Some people are too stupid to realise not everyone not in their club is an enemy. Hopefully they'll be caught and the court system wil set them straight. Better they learn their actions have consequences now than later when they might do serious jail time.
