Black Lives Matter Campaign

I know that in the current climate, that this subject is delicate and controversial overall. However, does anyone else feel that the "Black Lives Matter Campaign" has gone too far? I think that it should be "ALL Lives Matter".

Voice actors from many popular animated series are stepping down from their roles because "They are considered racist".

The MINORITY (I add in capital letters) of the black ethnicity of the population, seem to be using it as an excuse to commit acts of extreme public disorder and destruction of property for no good reason.

I can remember, as a small child, watching Tom and Jerry cartoons that had the character of Mammy Two Shoes. Of course, I was only about 6 at the time, and I was unaware of the subject of racism. I also, currently, watch classic British sitcoms such as "Love Thy Neighbour", Til' Death us Do Part", "In Sickness and In Health" among others, which WOULD NOT be shown today. I don't think that sitcoms such as this were ever meant to be offensive. They were simply meant to be funny. Many members of the cast of these sitcoms that were enemies ON-SCREEN, were actually best friends OFF-SCREEN. 

The American group "The Dixie Chicks" have changed their name.

The USA can't escape their historical connection to the Triangular Trade, and their Confederate history any more than the UK can. It wasn't a good period in either nations histories. However, we can take a lesson from those that are depicted in statues and other works of art, in the manner that "These people did this, don't make their mistakes".

I am a descendant of the generation of the "Baby-Boomers" that would often be considered to be racist. However, my parents don't care about a person's ethnicity, as long as THEY are treated with the same respect and dignity that they would give anyone else.

What are your views?

  • Twitter is where The Radical Left Wokerati live out their virtual, hypothetical lives. Facebook is where the Professional Left congregate to swap victim stories and serve up shallow partisan affirmations and marxist propaganda. BLM is another cause infiltrated by the racist radical Left, allowing them to further divide society racially, cause chaos and sew confusion in order to advance their totalitarian agenda. 

  • Climate changes. Constantly. It has changed many times before and during our short spell on the planet, and it will change many times more long after we, and our and plastic carrier bags, have gone. 

  • GLM....... Ginger Lives Matter! Sick of being replaced on TV & in movies!!!

  • Saying - do you believe in climate change is late saying - do you believe in clouds... Climate is a human construct. Climate Change is a slogan - a shadow projected on the wall of Platos Cave by the puppet masters.

  • Personally I don't think it's useful that people are painting things all with a good or bad brush - it's hard to have a conversation on a topic when you either can't critique it or if it's written off completely. The best thing we can do in any situation is to critically look at what is being done, and why.

    So if you support the movement and don't understand how people could have any problem, perhaps consider some of the criticisms and look into whether they are legitimate or not. Or alternatively, if you don't agree with the movement and don't understand how people could support it, perhaps consider some of the concerns that those in the movement have and look into whether they are legitimate.

    Oftentimes, we can get a clearer view of the situation by considering the concerns of other viewpoints and challenging our own :) 

  • I really like Priti Patel, she seems to get things done. Yes Biden needs to retire already, he forgets what he's saying half the time. I forgot to add, where are BLM on the current slave trade in Libya? That was bought up in conversation with my aquantance from Nigeria. We're freaking out about history here but whats happening with the slave trade currently? I havent followed that as such so maybe their working on it, we can only hope

  • That is the problem Plastic, your assumption that everyone that disagrees with you is 'not knowing' and that you are somehow superior because of the 'gifts' you allude to earlier, able to understand 'reality' in a way that us mere mortals cannot.  When, in fact, you have no idea how informed people are, not the people on this board and certainly not the entirety of the UK population.  Your assumption that you are  better placed to see the 'truth' than anyone else because of your superior capabilities is what is so irksome. Now you claim victimhood and that you are being 'policed'; you feel it is fair game to spout the long list of insults that I quoted earlier, claim that everyone who disagrees with you is stupid, but anyone that calls you out on your behaviour is policing you rather than having a legitimate reaction to your behaviour and attitudes. Whilst you have the right to use whatever language you like, those on the receiving end also have every right to think that your behaviour is unpleasant and to give voice to that view. 

    My views on BLM may surprise you or they may not. I don't feel the organisation is helpful and uses a legitimate concern regarding the rights of black people in America to push a particularly divisive agenda, although I have sympathy for the movement - I feel this is an important distinction.  Whilst the issue of racial discrimination is obviously important, and racism should be challenged always, I feel that the bigger issue is deprivation and it is one that isn't being addressed adequately by the current movement.  Deprivation, in my view, is the underpinning driver of inequality experienced by different communities. Deprivation in the UK disproportionately affects some ethnic minorities because of historical inequalities but it also impacts white working-class communities, particularly where manufacturing industries have been decimated; the communities affected experience very similar issues in regards to health and educational inequalities, overrepresentation in the criminal justice system and long-term unemployment, irrespective of race.  Viewing everything through the lens of race in that context is not very helpful when seeking to alleviate the suffering of communities and can sow division as we have witnessed at times on this thread.  We see this in the community in which I live with the attitudes towards immigrant communities - the issue if framed as us vs. them, 'they are taking our jobs', when the real issue is the transformation of the UK into a service-based economy that leaves too many people with alternative skills fighting each other for the few other jobs left. It's not an issue of race, it's an issue of macroeconomics. 

  • Aaaah - word police - 'ignorant' - not knowing - missing of data - or what word am I allowed to use?     How about 'somewhat lacking in the nuances of deep level American politics?

    If you look to take 'best-fit descriptions' as insults then I REALLY can't be bothered.

    What are your views on BLM?    

  • Twice now In this thread you have been pulled up on the insulting language you use to describe others who dare to have a differing political opinion and yet you refuse to examine why people may take issue with it.

    Being concise does not necessitate the use of insults to describe people who do not share your views. Yet again you assume that people who do not agree with you are ignorant, this time the majority of the population of the UK no less, and have failed to do ‘basic’ research rather accept that they may well be perfectly well-informed and simply think that you are wrong and your sources unreliable. Can you not see how insulting it is of you to suggest that British people simply do not know what they support and need your guidance to help navigate them past their own ignorance? 

  • If you take words out of context then feel free to spin whatever angle you *think* I'm trying to make - 'useful idiots' is a political term (look it up) - suckers - referring to the US police being double crossed by their management - racist and bigoted - yes - people who think one 'colour' is more important than another - clueless - people who have no clue??        Do you think someone pretending to support BLM by taking a knee is an honest person?

    I accept that I use blunt words - I apologise if people feel the need for kid gloves - but that's mainly because to say it in a *flowery way* would take half a page to explain each point - and I really can't be bothered putting that much effort into an online forum.

    It's very easy to poke at me - I wear my views on my sleeve and have nothing to hide - however I do wonder about the snipers in the background........   Feel free to shoot.

    Here's Candace Owens talking to KingFace about what is really wrong with BLM.- well worth watching.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n78nFzjzja0

    People in the UK are largely ignorant of the truth - I just wish that they did some basic research.

    Anyway, if people still do not understand what BLM is really all about - then watch this:

    **warning** - very strong blunt language ***.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgkdpQhkoXU

    When people awaken to the obscene levels of manipulation being fed to them by CNN, BBC, MSNBC, Bloomberg, Washington Post, New York Times etc. they will be horrified to the extent of the lies.

  • Plastic. I just want to draw your attention to the following-  In this thread you have referred to people that do not share your views as:

    Clueless

    insulated from the real world

    living in their mommy's basement

    'useful idiots'

    pathetic trouble makers

    weak minded, self-loathing white liberals

    guilt-ridden white liberals

    closed to the reality

    racist

    hippy-trippy child-like

    deluded

    stupid

    racist and bigoted

    weak

    grown up children

    mindless

    no character and is untrustworthy

    Suckers

    unthinking.

    By contrast, you refer to yourself as:

    I'm Aspie with an eidetic memory - I absorb data on a scale you wouldn't believe.

    my magic Aspie ability is being able to sift & sort it all to work out the reality.

    Whether your intention or not, it reads as an arrogance that is extremely unpleasant to people attempting to present a different view. As such, I will not be engaging in debate with you seeing as you clearly have such a low opinion of people, such as myself, who do not share your political views. 

  • To me communism and extreme unchecked capitalism are two ways to achieve the same goal, put most of the power in the hands of a small group, so I agree that extreme left is not really something to desire. 

    On the other hand, I'm afraid racism and the desire to have apartheid are still actual things in the us, so there is still room for improvement. I would like to live in a world where the guy who picks my coffeebeans is also making a decent living and his kids can go to college and go on vacations too. 

    We have a lot to thank the people who went through the trouble to have the French revolution, you know. In retrospect it was a muddy and soiled situation, but we got an important invention there: the citizen, the man with just one vote. This proved to be a mighty weapon against the more conservative states who still had a more feudal society. I think both China and the US today could use a bit more democracy in the mix. 

  • Exactly - and most of these statues are of people who did great things in their day - but that may be against today's morals - or they are to honour fallen soldiers.    The greatest thing a people can do is honour their old enemies.      History is always written by the victors but the people of the day deserve recognition.   I can guarantee that if you dig deeply enough, you can find something distasteful about any statue - but the point is to learn from it - not destroy it - but we are talking about the overthrowing of society, not the good or bad nature of a statue-  it's just mindless erasure of the past.

  • Yes - our aspie 'we must find out every detail about this subject' works well for model trains and aeroplanes - but when we observe the political games of the NT world it's frightening - all that data just shows how nasty people really are.       I used to believe people were naturally good - but not any more.   Disappointed

    I'm hoping that Boris just has his hands tied until we are actually completely free of the EU at the end of the year - and all this violence appears to be sponsored by left wing politicians - and Europe.      I see that Boris' team is already starting to dismantle the obstructive civil service - put in place and massively expanded by Tony Blair to tie the hands of future Tory governments - same as Obama did in the US - weaponised government.   It's why the media went after Cummings so doggedly - same with Priti Patel - they want to destroy them personally before they are able to clean house and bring down the socialist monolith of the civil service.    The creation of the D10 shows promise.     China is too big and there's lots of crooked politicians on their payroll - like Biden..

    Trump 'should' easily win on November unless the Democrats force postal voting - I'm really worried.     It's why they are keeping the covid narrative in the news - even though the CDC has downgraded it to just another flu.    Lots of fear-mongering about infections - but hiding the fact that they are testing more - and most people found positive didn't even know they had it - and they are saying that for every positive test, they add 15 more people to the figures because they assume more are infected.    It's all so fake.    

    Biden is just a senile figurehead - you can guarantee that Hilary will be his VP - parachuted in at the last second to avoid any debates or scrutiny - the DNC changes its own rules when it suites them..

  • To me this 'all lives matter'-creed seems to suggest that the public lynching of George Floyd was somehow just something that should not be questioned, We prefer to accept the status quo, to tell ourselves it's not so bad, it was just an accident. That's easier.

    Here in Belgium they're now thinking about the attrocities in the Congo under colonial rule. I think it's healthy for a society to take a bit of time to reflect on these things. To accept the lack of empathy and the suffering we caused. I think it's better to be sorry about this history and to try to avoid it in the future. 

    And a statue as such is a way to honour something. If you have a statue of a man on a horse, you are not telling people how cruel it was that he was using that horse for his own transportation.

  • oh plastic we agree again. My aspie brain gets fixated and I read everything I can good and bad to try and work it out. My memory isn't as crisp as yours however sadly

  • Yes I've seen that they want a postal vote due to covid.....but riots were acceptable! That rings alarm bells right there. I struggle with the lawlessness, the putting criminals as heros and martyres, the huge segregation, the deaths, people being attacked or told to be quiet (even to leave social media groups youve been on for a long time if your not a certain skin colour), people losing their jobs because of the colour of their skin, was it Morgan freeman they asked why don't you just employ black people? There was an interview on a new film coming out.videos of the very segregation their ansestors fought against, the woke people want division back in place! The hate thats brewing, the bow down to me because of my skin colour, painting all people of colour as needing hand outs or that the best person they have in society is a criminal (folded flag) yet they have some fantastic people more deserving. I can tell you now I've not been privileged because of my skin colour. In fact I've been to some areas and had racist attacks for not being a certain colour. I've been offered promotion by an area manager then not been promoted as I didn't fit the diversity box after head office said to my area manager and bought someone with no experience in for me to train from scratch. Ive been through the most traumatic life imaginable. I've also been pulled over 3 times by a police officer before, no idea why but he tested me for alcohol yet I didn't drink back then, then he pulled my husband twice for silly things like windows slightly too dark on tints but I didn't think racism I just thought that 1 police officer obviously has an issue. We both don't have a record or anything as such. The majority of police are helpful i just wish there were more around as we live in a crime area.

    Yes racism exists but its amongst a minority and it goes all ways dont be disillusioned because you've not experienced it.Most of my black friends don't support this movement but its put everyone on edge for sure. In fact the only one person i know supporting it is mixed race, her mum actually commented a racist remark to me once I can't remember but was something white girl. I didn't know this aquantance at the time and after knowing her she said this is my mum! One of my other aquantances laughed at people being offended by black terminology, (eg the newsreporter wearing a black coat) he replied I'm brown not black look at my skin (he's Nigerian he says its scarey over there, these people complaining wouldn't wish to go there).

    Sad and scarey times. We need America to sort this on their side as Boris is useless let's be honest.

    I dread our future, a lawless, segregated world won't be a nice place to live. People are being forced to belive in a movement of violence and destruction, what era does that remind us of

  • Hi - I'm Aspie with an eidetic memory - I absorb data on a scale you wouldn't believe.   Smiley    I trawl data from everywhere - and my magic Aspie ability is being able to sift & sort it all to work out the reality.   I work hard to avoid confirmation bias and I welcome data from alternative sources.     (it's what's causing me a lot of stress right now because of all the data shows we are being lied to in 2020 on an unprecedented level - and all the data I can gather points to some pretty nasty games being played.    I just want to get to 2021 - most of these games will have come to a conclusion by then so the path forward will be clear - for better or worse).

    George Soros is not a communist - he is a capitalist control freak and he's stated he will spend his billions to bring down the US - remember, he was responsible for destroying the UK economy all those years ago - he is a power mad globalist who wants to treat humanity as his slaves/playthings for his amusement.       His 'open borders' group is throwing a lot of money around to destroy nation states.     He wants to impose his kind of communism on us - it's all about control - and money / power.

    Soros is a wanted man - there's lots of countries who will arrest him on sight for crimes against those countries.    

    People supporting open borders don't seem to understand how it is destroying their own lives - unlimited immigration is trendy for young people to chant - but it's pushing up the cost of housing /  living for them (everyone) by spreading resources thinner (the inter-National Health Service???) and lowering their own wages (supply / demand) - and then they bleat about not being able to afford a house - a severe lack of joined-up thinking.

    The people being put forward as 'climate scientists' are extremely dubious - dig into their back story and where they come from and you find strong links to lobby groups pushing an agenda -  like the BBC!.     Greta is a classic - no science - no thinking - all emotion - just 'think of the children' BS to guilt the soft-headed into backing down & complying.    Dig into her 'backers' and you see that she was a totally fake  & coordinated international media campaign to influence climate change talks - I can only see child abuse forcing a school drop-out autistic girl into a state of blind eco-panic - How Dare They!  Smiley.

    As for Labour - people vote for various parties for their own reasons - and I couldn't possibly guess what they may be.     They do tend to promise undeliverable goodies to the unthinking - like cancelling student debt - but they would never do that - they need a load of 'educated' disillusioned left wingers complaining about their growing debt to bash the government - and also they are easy to manipulate when they realise that £50,000 debt @ 6%apr compounded for a degree in East African lesbian dance theory isn't going to bring in the big bucks - learn to say "would you like fries with that?".      Tony Bliar stitched them up good and proper with his 'everyone goes to uni' lie.  He sold them into financial slavery - and his mate was given the privatised company that administers student loans - a licence to print money.   Ker-ching!

    As I said on the other thread - I'd love to bounce this back & forth with you - but typing is too time consuming.  Smiley    I feel we could put the world right.  Smiley

  • Why is it that you know the facts but climate scientists don't.  Believing you over them does not make rational sense to me.

    Weather is not climate. Climate scientists document the change in temperature occuring over centuries since the onset of the industrial revolution. Even i know that and this isn't my speciality or academic discipline.

    Where do you get all this stuff? What's your source of information. Are you sure it's accurate. Because most of it is just isn't factual. Are you getting all your news from Youtube? Can't you see the issue with that.  It would be like if i just read Katie Hopkins column and assumed that was the only truth. Never checking anywhere else.  Most of these youtubers come in where their own political standpoint. It's about as verifiable as anyone on the street going on and just spouting their own opinions. Its not evidence. For example you keep claiming that George Soros is a communist. There's no evidence for that assertion but you state it again and again. No matter what i say to you.  The evidence that Soros is a communist ammounts to him being Jewish and being from the Czech republic. That's not evidence though is it?  Eastern europe stopped being communist 3 decades ago now. And Soros funds mainly democratic projects. I'm no fan of his by the way. I'm not arsed what he does with his money.  I just know that you have to see him as malign to make your worldview run together.  Because if he's not malign then why should anyone care what he funds .  You keep saying all these people are funding BLM and that i should worry about them. But i don't see them or the activists as being something to worry about. I don't see them as bad.  And that's not because George Soros is pumping secret messages into my head.   It's as if someone were to complain about a trade union funding something. That wouldn't upset me would it? Because i don't see them as a negative.  And that doesn't make me a communist. For example we just had a GE in the UK in which ten million people voted for the Labour party. All those people are not controlled communists.