The fine line between needing to be social and needing solitude.

I meant it doesnt bother me that you are against militant atheism. Equally millitant atheism don't particulary bother me either as long as they are not questioning someone's rights/liberties to believe in invisible men. I see your point and I see theirs.

Im not particulary into beating any one else's drum. However I like the concept of "Adversary". Culture of any kind needs counter culture and vice versa. I am however pleased I was born in a time I can express it, even if the extent of my thoughts are repressed somewhat.

I quite like the qoute:

"Imagination applied to reason is genius" Levi - Basically subjective reality applied to objective values equals maximum result.I read it today in a book Im reading titled "Surrealism & the Occult" and it struck a chord.

I also like the a song by Primordial called "Bloodied yet Unbowed", even tho I'm sure there is some sentiment relating to the troubles in Ireland it reminds of the concept of the adverary particulary the lyrics: 

"To those who did not dare to sing out of tune
Or sing a different song
To march to the beat of a different drum and speak
the truths others fear
Just give me one thing to live or die for"

Song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZPvfXdRZAE

Sorry for drifting off. I just kind of believe all beliefs and morals are tempory and comtempory to suite eaches egolitarian needs.

It is his certainty that bothers me.

I consider myself a true open minded skeptic - both questioning and open to all possibilities - I never fully believe anything.

However, I've seen Dawkins explicitly state that "God does not exist" (not a direct quote) - which leaves no room for doubt - all one can ever really state, as a true open minded skeptic is that "on the weight of known evidence, it appears that God does not need to exist".

Doesn't bother me in the slightest.

The idea behind a lot of Dawkins books, is too let common sense and science be considerred when making laws and too tone down the religious morality. Such as the innacuracy of eyewitness testimony. Sometimes the point gets lost that he isn't opposed to religion, he is opposed to deciept and denial of logic and rationalle.

I personally expressly condone total freedom of all kinds. My school of thought is more with the Surrealist/Occultist movement of the early 20th century.

PS sorry about spellings.

As a non-believer, Dawkins, and Militant Atheism in general, really annoys me.

It's as bad as any aggressive religion, and as routed in faith.

And I expect to now get a backlash at even merely suggesting that - thus entirely proving my point.

0263 said:

I couldn't agree more, Goatworshiper... Yet another atheist, here. As someone once said, "... religion is an irrational concept ..." Out of interest, have you read Prof. Richard Dawkins' bookThe God Delusion? A great read and very entertaining, not at all stuffy. Best wishes, Nick.

Hi Nick. Yes, I've read the God Delusion. I'm a massive Dawkins fan. The God Delusion is similtainiously deadly serious and hilarious. Great stuff.

I couldn't agree more, Goatworshiper... Yet another atheist, here. As someone once said, "... religion is an irrational concept ..." Out of interest, have you read Prof. Richard Dawkins' bookThe God Delusion? A great read and very entertaining, not at all stuffy. Best wishes, Nick.

LoCommotion said:

I already feel better having got that out of the system.   I seem to be in a particularly cynic and pessimistic mood today, not sure why.

Don't worry about, I'm cynical everyday. I just call things as I see em.

Jon said:

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For example high heels.  Why wear footwear you can't walk in - that's what shoes are for, aren't they?  And they're probably damaging for your feet.  I've never understood this mentality and find that people lack critical thought.  I call this Mindless Copycat Syndrome (this doesn't exist, it's just a made up name.)  I've always been a very independent thinker who's always done their own thing and can't relate to it.

The high heel wearing is probably rooted in sex:

www.psychologytoday.com/.../why-are-high-heels-so-enticing

Interesting article, especially that bit about raising and tightening the buttocks up...  but for me things have to have a practical purpose or I don't see the point in them, but since I don't like drawing attention to myself anyway no, high heels are not for me.

@  Goatworshipper: I think the big problem is why the wars are taking place and who is behind them.  Most modern wars are about the control of natural resources such as oil and gas, the exploitation of which is carried out by huge multinational companies.  These companies have a great influence in government policy making and a lot of deals go on behind closed doors which the public never gets to know about.  Also they can easily manipulate the economy by raising the cost of oil and forcing national governments to take out loans.  Then the governments have to get more money out of the people to pay them.  The only problem is that the vast majority of the people are already struggling to make ends meet and have no more to give. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer.  I know this is a well-worn cliche but it's true.

Luckily for governments they have this wonderful tool TV, which allows them to tells us lovely little stories about how they have everything under control and keep us entertained with the latest celebrity gossip, reality and talent shows.

I already feel better having got that out of the system.   I seem to be in a particularly cynic and pessimistic mood today, not sure why.

Hope said:

When people act and DEMAND change, things can happen.

People are far too apathetic to be angry enough to be violent. Without violence protests are ignored. With violence protests are demonised, all British Governments in my lifetime have had this worked out. The poll tax riots have been the only people led action I can remember making a change in my lifetime. The race riots too slightly before I was born.

Remember the student protest's, they just demonised everyone and did not listen at all. The anti-war protests were the biggest protests the world has ever seen, the grinning war criminal completely ignored one million people.

Jon said:

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I hate talking on the phone. I don't mind going out, but standing in ques make me feel very nervous, it's a countdown to small talk and I hate it. Starbucks especially, as the names are so long and silly and always results in small talk. However I love the coffe and have to put up with it.

..... Strabucks doesn't always have the best coffee but is sometimes all there is. I dislike queues too. They make me feel self-concious and increasingly anxious the longer I am in them. I end up closing my eyes. Ordering things I sometimes get really mixed up and say things all in the wrong order. Sometimes not. Once I have  ordered then there is that gap of time where you are just stood there waiting trying to act 'normal'...... There is a ponit in these sorts of transactions where I just want to leave.... even if my order is wrong or they have misunderstood (or I have).....I find it really hard to challenge someone in a shop as I just feel so unconfortable and confused.

Not the best, but the "frappichino's" are lovely. I like the texture of it imensely. It's a dispicable company tho.

zee bra said:

hi

iam intrested in  making new aspi frends..

im 25 from london

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if anyone intrested in meeting and doing activites and basically hang out

thanks

Hi zee bra, and welcome. I've edited your post because we don't allow people to post personal contact details on the forum. This is to protect your privacy and the privacy of our more vulnerable members. I hope you understand. 

If you're interested in meeting other people with Asperger syndrome in London you could try searching the NAS Autism Services Directory:

http://www.autism.org.uk/directory

If you choose 'support groups and networks' from the list, and then narrow it down by where you are it will show you the groups nearest to you. I hope you find something you like.

philippab - mod

Yep, I agree with a lot of that Jon.  Although I am a bot more optimistic, things can and do change, as shown throughout History. When people act and DEMAND change, things can happen.

LoCommotion said:

For example high heels.  Why wear footwear you can't walk in - that's what shoes are for, aren't they?  And they're probably damaging for your feet.  I've never understood this mentality and find that people lack critical thought.  I call this Mindless Copycat Syndrome (this doesn't exist, it's just a made up name.)  I've always been a very independent thinker who's always done their own thing and can't relate to it.

The high heel wearing is probably rooted in sex:

www.psychologytoday.com/.../why-are-high-heels-so-enticing

......I am pretty sure that the 'Mindless Copycat Syndrome' applies and people are not always aware of their motives. Consumerism as a whole annoys me. On a planet with a set amount of resources why are we encouraged to waste them and why are the so unevenly distributed? At the moment people of the UK are being told to tighten theire belts and make cuts and SPEND MORE!....... how odd. Why not allow everyone to work part-time and consume less? I firmly believe that if everyone was allowed to realise and fullfill their potential in this world then everything would be a whole lot better. But I don't think that is ever going to be a strategy persued by any UK government. And as humans are flawed with human traits then of course there would always be some who would abuse and take advantage of a 'fair system'...... OK thats that off my chest......

Goatworshiper said:

I hate talking on the phone. I don't mind going out, but standing in ques make me feel very nervous, it's a countdown to small talk and I hate it. Starbucks especially, as the names are so long and silly and always results in small talk. However I love the coffe and have to put up with it.

..... Strabucks doesn't always have the best coffee but is sometimes all there is. I dislike queues too. They make me feel self-concious and increasingly anxious the longer I am in them. I end up closing my eyes. Ordering things I sometimes get really mixed up and say things all in the wrong order. Sometimes not. Once I have  ordered then there is that gap of time where you are just stood there waiting trying to act 'normal'...... There is a ponit in these sorts of transactions where I just want to leave.... even if my order is wrong or they have misunderstood (or I have).....I find it really hard to challenge someone in a shop as I just feel so unconfortable and confused.

aquagirl2012 said:

Sounds amazing, Ive heard of Ableton I must admit I havent its something Ive never tried. I love listening to music almost every type and i have written some lyrics, I havent actually made the music before though it sounds brilliant would you like to work with music?

...I would like to work with music and I like the idea....but in practise I think the social aspect would be really hard. I somtimes think I would like to do something and give it a go but in doing it i have the realisations that it involves people...... If you havn't made music and would like to then you can get lots of programs (some free) for your computer. If you have an ipad (pricey I know..its on my wishlist ) then there are a whole load of apps. Do you play an instrument? or just write lyrics? I tend to listen to the feeling and sound of a track rather than the specific meaning of lyrics. Although an interpretation of a song might develop with repeated listening. Some of my favourite songs I listen to are a complete lyrical mystery but I know they are ace. Sometimes finding out about the actual songwriter and their life is a complete surprise and dissapointment for some reason.

hi

iam intrested in  making new aspi frends..

im 25 from london

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if anyone intrested in meeting and doing activites and basically hang out

thanks

I want to add that I strongly feel that I need to be in control of when I choose to talk to and be with people and when not to so I can be mentally prepared for it and the halls of residence were a problem for me as I wasn't able to choose.  I've always been a loner, need privacy and prefer to keep myself to myself.

Hope said:

Could never ever live in halls. I attended my local Uni to study history, a 10 minute walk from where I live with my parents. I never socialised much beyond talking two two quiet girls now and again, never went to any parties. After lectures I would pop into the library, pick up my books and go straight home.

I didn't have much choice in the matter as the Uni I attended was far from my parent's place.  Basically I followed the same pattern as at school of having one or two fringe friends who weren't into partying and drinking as a lot of the others were.  I found it easier to talk to and make friends with foreign students who were also on their own.  Later I lived in a shared house with a couple of other students who kept themselves to themselves so it was better. 

A big problem for me at Uni was naivety.  At school I didn't talk to the other students much or socialise with them and when I went to Uni I was suddenly exposed to a whole load of social situations of  which I had no experience and didn't know how to handle.  The worst thing was when a guy was hitting on me and I didn't even realise this was going on, I just thought he was being friendly until suddenly he's trying tp kiss me...  ugh!!  At school I was uncool and no guys were interested in me. I made a lot of blunders, especially in the first year.

Could never ever live in halls. I attended my local Uni to study history, a 10 minute walk from where I live with my parents. I never socialised much beyond talking two two quiet girls now and again, never went to any parties. After lectures I would pop into the library, pick up my books and go straight home.

I respect people right to be into business, I think it's the way it's imposed on the world I find tedious. You never get guest speakers talking about specialist topics to the general public. It would never be tolerated to book a Neuroscientist to talk about the auditory cortex at a staff conference for example.

When I went to Uni I done an HND at a local Uni as I knew I couldnt cope with strangers etc (and I had lived with my girlfriend by this time). But I wanted a degree and the local Uni didn't deliver the one I wanted, so I drove 85 miles each way to go to a Uni that did deliver that course. Sharing with other people would drive me crazy, especially as I can't cope with small talk or people not being hygenic.