Claiming PIP - Cleaning

Hi there,

I have Asperger's and I have a lot of trouble cleaning, my house is a right tip. It's probably unhealthy to live there. While undergoing a PIP assessment would they take this into consideration?

I just can't do it and it gets me down.

Mike

  • I had a pip assessment last week. For three bloody hours when I have PEM fatigue from ME and post Covid. it’s not an official question on the form but on my report they wrote I don’t have the ability to clean from fatigue. Also think I have adhd so cognitive it’s hard to work out where to start, then I get distracted and forget what I was doing. Aside from my rant they did ask about cleaning and  cat care ( family deal with it ) but they don’t really deal with the clutter. But cleaning isn’t an actually question on the form. You could say you struggle getting dressed as clothes are in a messy pile and you do not have the brain function to deal with it and need help from others. Showering is hard as there is clutter in bathroom. Things like that and send pictures. I have a whole spare doom that can’t be used from Thor stuff in it but between body and brain I’m not getting rid of stuff very fast. Reading Marie kondo books might help. I did chuck a wardrobe worth of clothes and then the  wardrobe. Tidying a little a day might help if you can manage it. Good luck pip are bum holes. When I didn’t get DLA in the old days at tribunal or court thing I told them I couldn’t clean and got told it didn’t count  but since it’s physical and cognitive it should count  

  • It’s less about what gets-you-down and more about how capable you are of cleaning, not in the sense that you can clean, but more in the sense of the toll of cleaning effectively and affectively in your daily life.

    The role executive function plays in your daily life. The amount of time it takes you to clean, if you clean at all, or if the act of cleaning (for you) takes an unreasonable amount of effort. The role of any restrictive or repetitive behaviours, the role of social-emotive impairment, the role of sensory anomalies, and any resultant psychological distress.

  • You are more than welcome. I hated filling in the PIP and DLA forms for my three neurodivergent children. It took weeks for me to complete each one. I wish I'd had the support and knowledge prior to completing them that the webinar provided - but we live and learn!
    Take care!

  • Thank you :-)

  • I attended a PIP benefit Webinar last week, run by Citizens Advice (I think they were based in Sussex, if my memory serves me right?!). They discussed things which do not fit into the specific questions, but ways in which you can include them within one or multiple areas of the form. They also advised that a difficulty which affects multiple areas of your daily living and/or mobility, repeat these throughout each question in which it is applicable to - it doesn't matter whether you link one specific difficulty to every question, if it affects those areas of your life.  

    I would have thought, particularly if you can demonstrate within the PIP assessments that you have huge difficulty in this area, and that it poses a risk to you by living this way, you absolutely should discuss this within your PIP. 
    It may be helpful if you have any evidence to back this up - A report or a comment made by a professional through services you've engaged with - or someone who knows you (carer, friend, neighbour - they can all submit statements regarding your struggles which PIP must use to make a decision).

    I can't see why you cannot include photographs of your home as evidence you are submitting, to give them a snapshot of exactly what this means for you - although you would need to explain why you have used a photo, and explain that this is the state of your home, due to your chronic difficulties in maintaining cleanliness and tidiness.
    But do always link every difficulty you face to your condition(s) and explain why this happens i.e. Due to my Aspergers, I have problems with... (e.g. memory? executive functioning?) and this means that... (e.g. I struggle to tidy things away, clean up after myself). Then explain how this impacts you and what it means... (e.g. health and/or safety implications? prevents you doing things? Makes things harder? Things take longer?) etc.  

    I would perhaps elaborate upon this and extend it to include specific information and examples for each section in the assessment that it applies to. Possible areas you could include this difficulty:
    While preparing a meal, how does your inability to clean/tidy impact upon the safety aspect or completion of preparing a meal for yourself?
    How does this difficulty impact upon your ability to wash and bathe?
    Does it impact your ability or extend the time in which it takes you to get dressed?

    Don't forget question 15! You can put anything and everything else here, too - although I would certainly try to think of how everything you discuss within this question can be linked to each specific question. 

    I wish you the best of luck and hope you get the right support you need Slight smile

  • i could probably have put it better, such as everyone else these days have lowered the standard of cleanliness to the point that you likely are better at cleaning than the average person.

    i bet alot of people dont clean at all. so the fact you say your bad at cleaning tells me you have at least gave it a shot, which means you are already better at cleaning than the average person that doesnt clean at all lol

  • Wow, that really told me.

  • you can try but to be honest everyones house is a tip these days.

    see all the articles about people whining about mould and thinking the landlord should clean it? .... they are wrong, they should clean it themselves, its basic house cleaning. its as daft as thinking the landlord should wipe your bum everytime you go to the toilet. so given that its pretty clear that no one cleans their house in this country and thinks someone else has to do it for them.