No, no. You don't get it. You have Autism

When I was in University, I joined the local Dungeons and Dragons club. I was met by a DM, called Austin, Austin was a jacked up guy who studies psychology and liked to bodybuild. All the player gathered in the room. It was a session of Dungeons and Dragons.

For record, the DM knows I am autistic. When another player named Greg started making bigotted jokes during session 0; sexism, homophobia, racism etc and I would angry and upset at it, Austin would take me to the side and slowly "explain" the joke over and over again until "I got it" saying my autism got in the way of humour.

When I tried to leave, he would stop me and try to "reason it out", ask me to explain my reason. He would then deny anything, then would explain that I just don't get it, it's just a joke all for laughs. He then tried to get me to "get the jokes" again. He would constantly say to other players that "I don't get social cues so don't mind her" and would list any symptoms of autism I would show at the game and say to the players to not be angry and that my brain doesn't function as normal.

  • Hi - Your reply looks like SPAM - could you elaborate?

  • This person does not see how his humour is offensive. Nothing to do with autism. The people laughing along with him are either like minded offensive people too or they laugh out of awkwardness. 

    Boy needs to stop thinking everyone who disagrees with him is the problem when it is clearly him that has the problem. 

  • That's patronizing. It looks like he's helping you on the surface, but it's a way for him to showoff what he has studied in psychology and look good, so he thinks he knows everything there is to know about autism, pointing it out every single chance he gets, in order to shine, in order to make you and others "more aware," to bring some kind of enlightenment upon everyone around the table. 

    The way he treated autism was as if it was a problem, that you just didn't get things because of autism, that autism was an obstacle that got in the way of everything, that your brain doesn't function as normal because of autism. He prioritizes the disorder first, instead of treating you as a human being first. That's dehumanizing. And when you tried to leave the table because you were uncomfortable, he tried to dig into your brain further by asking you to explain why, and made you stay so it'll look like he's being all-inclusive and a gentleman, but what a jerk. He sees you as a disordered person, instead of just a human being.

    Instead of trying to understanding you as an individual, he tried to fix and change you, to "get the jokes" that were not funny to you, to put you down by telling everyone that you just "don't get social cues, so don't get angry" as if they were getting angry at some point in time which is not fun or welcoming. And then he gaslights you by denying the things that you were experiencing that were troubling you, by brushing it off and saying "you just don't get it." I don't care what kind of stupid crappy study in psychology he has, that's rude and patronizing. 

    Many people even without autism can struggle in social situations, people can be afraid of presentations, interviews, or even just talking to someone they like a lot. So for him to treat you that way and make the entire situation as "blame it on the autism" is not right. Don't go there anymore. 

  • You really should stay away from them they are just wrong on so many levels ,

    They come across as extremely immature and insecure people .

    And if you have to explain a joke it isn't a very good one .

  • Here's the thing. And I may be wrong because I don't know what exactly was said or how it was said. But my impression is that as a psychology student this guy probably fancied himself as a bit of an autism expert - even more so because as you say, he was spotting things and calling them out but attempting to tell the other players "not to get angry". In a sense I think he was wanting to portray himself as the expert placing himself as your advocate. Does that mean I'm sticking up from him? 

    No, he could just have been really clumsy in how he was supporting you or there may have been some bizarre social power-play going on. Not to mention a whole ton of assumptions just because he knows a little bit about the condition. That of course doesn't mean he knows how to treat people as people, or how to show you respect for the person you are and not see you through the eyes of a diagnostic label.

    Yes - but I'm still betting on the whole bunch being ASD so just so many misunderstandings and overreactions on all sides,.

  • To be honest (and I may be way off base here) this might be a case of Austin confusing autism symptoms with preferences for humor. My personal preference is topical humour or anything off the wall. I hugely admire comedians who take things and flip them around (the really smart ones do). I'm with you that bigoted jokes aren't funny - and I wouldn't need them explaining, I completely understand this type of humour which is exactly why I don't find it funny. I don't care how many people are laughing.

    Here's the thing. And I may be wrong because I don't know what exactly was said or how it was said. But my impression is that as a psychology student this guy probably fancied himself as a bit of an autism expert - even more so because as you say, he was spotting things and calling them out but attempting to tell the other players "not to get angry". In a sense I think he was wanting to portray himself as the expert placing himself as your advocate. Does that mean I'm sticking up from him? 

    No, he could just have been really clumsy in how he was supporting you or there may have been some bizarre social power-play going on. Not to mention a whole ton of assumptions just because he knows a little bit about the condition. That of course doesn't mean he knows how to treat people as people, or how to show you respect for the person you are and not see you through the eyes of a diagnostic label.

    I don't know. I can easily imagine this scenario either way as this guy being a know-it-all and absolutely clueless with his "helpful" behaviour or something more sinister where he was playing games with you.

    The line about normal functioning brains did get my hackles up -  it's probably a fault of the discipline. When I flirted with psychology (a while ago now) autism fell into a sub-field of psychology perversely titled "abnormal psychology" - it's a vile, loaded term and should be dropped from undergraduate study and text books. Autism is also termed as a "disorder" - again another loaded term which to an inexperienced student ends up dividing society into so-called "normal" people and then "people with disorders" or "abnormal". Unconscious bias anyone?

    Folk can do really stupid things with the very best of intentions. I'll call myself out on that because I know I still do. By trying to "explain things" and "reason them out" he may have honestly thought he was helping you. But, if he'd been as smart as he thought his psychology studies made him, he would have known when to shut up, step back and allow you to leave.

    Knowledge without wisdom is a dangerous combination. 

  • We have differing views it seems. My angle would be to evaluate the risk/ harms and the benefits, which this discussion has helped with. 
    people who have major power (like the police), can cause major harm with false allegations..... as I well know

  • He sounds like a complete ass hole, he's trying to make you look vulnerable to make himself look cool (or something). Leave the club! You don't have to hang out with people like that.

  • It's difficult to judge the details of this without being there but there's a few nuances you need to understand.   

    Humans are THE apex predator - we are extremely dangerous animals.     As with most other apex predators, disputes are normally worked out by posturing and status reminders to avoid a physical fight and potentially lethal injuries.

    Women do this through social interaction - the whole 'frenemies' game of manipulation and back-biting and psychological torture.

    With less access to obvious emotions, men measure their peers by competitive sport and by stories or humour to 'measure' your responses to work out if you are 'friend or foe'.

    Unfortunately, universities are a hotbed of SJW behaviours and are, sadly, somewhat lacking in tolerance or understanding of 'wrong-think' or anyone with a different opinion or outlook about anything 'touchy'.  Disappointed

    Stepping back from your story, it can be read two ways - someone behaving badly or someone desperately trying to help you integrate into a group.   I can't tell which with the information given.

  • You need to get out of that club, it may have taken you a little while to notice it but their is something properly sinister with this person stopping you from leaving. 

    I am all for inclusion and sometimes someone else may explain oddities of autism but if you feel he doesn’t have enough understanding to explain autism, call him out on it. 

    I have learnt that the term banter is used by not so pleasant people and use it to humiliate you. Just stop attending you have expressed your wish to no longer participate.