I'm giving Cognitive Behaviour Therapy (CBT) another go - albeit again I'm becoming disheartened by the process. These so-called professionals really aren't geared to deal with an autistic perspective at all.
The Practitioner specialises in 'anxiety issues', and readily admits he has no idea about autism - saying I'm the 'expert' (god help me). He seems intently focussed on the issue of 'panic attacks', even though I say to him I don't consider myself as ever had one. Yet he focuses on anxiety issues with the attention worthy of an autistic! Okay, I do suffer anxiety with the best of Autistics, but for me (cognitive/sensory) overload is far more of a problem. If anything, as a defense mechanism (or attempt to redistribute internal resources) I tend to go into a catatonic state when suffering from overload (unless persistently exposed, whereby I can reach 'meltdown' and lash out), rather than the hyper-aroused state I would assume is a panic attack.
Part of the problem is that I'm having trouble explaining to him the difference between 'panic attacks' and '(cognitive/sensory) overload'. Indeed, I'm seemingly just not getting across to him just how complex and deafening the autistic mind can be, and how exhaustion results from trying to process the sheer volume of thought, rather than a build up to a panic attack.
Does anyone have a clear-cut and concise way for me to explain the difference between a 'panic attack' and '(cognitive/sensory) overload'?
I think we could talk and talk until we’re blue in the face and some people will never hear us.
My psychiatrist is excellent. He’s really good at spotting autism in order to diagnose but I can tell (which is a wonder for me!) but I can just tell that sometimes, he hasn’t got a clue what it’s sctually like. Which made me realise, how could he? I’m just grateful he’s so good at spotting it. He does help me though regardless of his inability to really stand in our shoes.
For example. I have pathological demand avoidance and he made me realise that I’m not really avoiding things. It’s actually, self preservation. Since he made me realise that, there has been a huge shift in how I treat myself at times when I used to think I was avoiding stuff. Now I know I’m actually looking after myself.
I have a support worker now who told me she knows little about autism, but she’s researched it and because she’s open to learning more and she sees me as a person, not just an autistic person, she has been able to help me.
However, my work coach at the job centre has worked with adults with severe autism and she has a step daughter who’s autistic so the help that she gives me is something else.
I realised, after having a meltdown in front of her, that I have never before been around somebody who actually understands a meltdown and knows how to deal with it. She was amazing and she taught me how to deal with the aftermath.
So although I get help from all 3, there’s a definite difference in the help I get from my work coach who has actual hands on experience of working with people with autism.
The mental health team just kept trying to tell me it was anxiety and depression when I knew it was none of those but I could never get them to see that. Mental health nurses are very prescriptive in their approach. It’s the way they’re trained and I could not get them to see it wasn’t anxiety and yes, they gave that subject the level of attention worthy of any autistic person!
There’s a gap in the market for workers with experience of autism and certainly the mental health teams are not trained in autism. I think we all have a lot to learn.
The only thing I could sugggest would be to contact somebody who works specifically with autism and if funding is an issue, you could get it paid via social services in the form of a direct payment or through a health budget which you don’t contribute to.
There’s an organisation in the uk who charge only a nominal fee and I’m sure there are others but that’s the one I found when I was looking for support specifically for adults with autism.
I see it as part of my job now to inform and educate others about autism. I tell everyone I meet, shop keepers the lot, I can’t not tell everyone I come into contact with but in terms of support, when we need support, we don’t want to be the experts, that doesn’t make sense. Yes of course we know ourselves better than anybody else but we wouldn’t be at the therapists room if we didn’t need some support and guidance.
I think it comes down to the level of freedom you have in the relationship as to how much help the other person can be, regardless if they understand autism or not but the mental health teams don’t offer that level of freedom that’s needed to allow the support to be the right support.
My support worker is from the local authority social services wellbeing team and I’m so grateful to her. I wouldn’t be where I am today without her support and the support from my work coach at the job centre.
When I get back to work, I’ll be specialising in working with people with autism, there’s a real need for it.
Well, it seems to me that Evan isn't getting the level of help he deserves, which is pretty commonplace nowadays, what with the terrible underfunding of the mental health sector in the NHS. Going private would be extremely expensive, of course, and perhaps there would be travelling issues involved too. Having said all that, at least Evan is receiving some form of therapy, which I suppose is better than nothing and I think he needs to persevere in trying to 'get through' to his dodgy therapist because it might be a case of developing a deeper understanding and communication relationship with him (her?). Maybe it's best to look upon the whole thing as a learning experience for both parties involved and, hopefully, things will improve. I think this approach is more positive than focussing too much on the shortcomings of the situation.
The point here, I think, is that CBT is an ongoing process that aims to change one's habitual pattern of negative thoughts that has proved to be unhelpful in the past and, gradually, replace them with more constructive patterns of thinking. This takes time and effort but through determination can be achieved. We have to work with what we have and never give up trying.
lostmyway said:Having said all that, at least Evan is receiving some form of therapy, which I suppose is better than nothing
That's my thinking, insomuch that this CBT doesn't seem to be what I really need, but it's gotta be better than nothing right?
The Therapist is a nice enough chap, and seems well-intentioned. I just find he (quite naturally) has no idea as to what living with autism is like, and he's got this existing neurotypical CBT model that he's desperately trying to fit me in to, as he has no other template to offer.
He told me to "keep it simple" when he asked me to identify the little marks on the top of the kidneys, and I went off about the adrenal medulla and adrenal cortex, and the sympathetic division of the autonomic nervous system etc. I now wonder whose benefit that was for. Likewise, I had to bit my tongue when he was talking about the 'fight or flight' response and said, "of course we can't fly, but we have to use that word as nothing else rhymes with fight." Bless him.
Ultimately, I just can't afford to pay for private therapy, period. So, I have little choice than to try and educate my existing Therapist, and hopefully try to communicate my perception of the world.
Ross-Mod: thanks for the link, as it may be useful. It's a shame, as my Therapist has given me 'homework' to do on panic attacks, despite my insistence that I don't suffer panic attacks. Rather, a major problem is actually sensory overload and shutdowns. Unfortunately, I suspect the poor ol' Therapist may just be to busy to do any homework I assign to him!
Which leads me back to topic - can anyone think of the clearest and most concise way to explain the difference between a 'panic attack' and 'sensory overload'? I don't think handing him a load of links or reading material is going to be a realistic option...
Evan, it may not be the case that your therapist doesn't know the difference between a panic attack an a sensory overload ( I would be shocked if he did not, in fact, know if he is a qualified person) but that he simply wants you to be aware of what is going on within your body when you experience an overload thereby giving you a bit of insight into how your body responds and, hopefully, giving you a little bit of cognitive control over your responses. Presumably, this is all part of the CBT treatment which is aimed at exercising your conscious mind which can alleviate your automatic responses. I think the thing to remember is that it is an ongoing process and isn't easy at first but you need to persevere as things should get a bit easier over time. Like any new skill it requires practice and more practice for real progress to be made. Evan, nobody was born to win Wimbledon or receive a Nobel Prize; such things have to be strived for through hard work and determination. Basically you have to work with what you were born with and never forget, the human brain is very pliable and can learn almost unlimited skills when necessary. If that was not the case, human beings would not be here today.
That’s very well said lostmyway
I had this revalation (to a deeper degree) a little while ago. I guess I knew it at an intellectual level, but since learning about my autism, and finding different ways to see things/approach things, it made me realise (and I told this to my psychiatrist) that I can learn new things, I just wasn’t aware of many of the other things/ways before due to focussed thinking etc. Which are all great things, if I focus them towards what I want to achieve.
I was always offered the opportunity to train in CBT, to use with my clients (when working in the NHS), but I always declined the offers. I was working effectively with clients anyway, so it wasn’t a necessary.
But I have never heard it explained the way that you just explained it. It has changed my views on it completely. I was never against it and I have seen it work with many people and indeed it has been used with me at times in my own therapy sessions.
But I never understood it in the way you just explained it and suddenly, I can see it’s significance and value and why it works.
It’s essentially, the same work as I do but at a more psychological level, whereas metaphysics goes deeper, but they’re both doing the same thing. I knew all this on one level of consciousness but you have helped me to see it in another way now whereby I can really see it for what it is. Thank you.
Thank you, BlueRay. I'm glad you found my comments of value.
Yeah, really valuable, thank you. In fact I’m going to write it down and read it often because it sometimes takes information like that a little while to kind of settle in my brain. If that makes sense. Words are a bit like floating bubbles to me and when I do manage to anchor some of them together in a way I can understand, I still have to keep going over it or it’s like the words seperate out again and go off for another float around the world! Lol! This description I just know is going to be very helpful for a lot of people so I don’t want to forget it.