Communication difficulties and different autistic profiles

On the Random Thoughts thread I said that I often don't feel like I belong here and many of you were kind enough to tell me my contributions to discussion are valued, but I think one of the reasons I don't feel I belong is that autism manifests differently in me to how it does in most others.

Many people here seem to AUHD, whereas I'm a Liminal Austic Thinker, this means I like to inhabit the grey areas of life, rather than the black and white of Binary Thinkers, or the fact driven thought processes of Analytical Thinkers or the High Energy, rapid paced emotional short hand loving AUDH people.

This difference in cognitive style makes it hard for us all to communicate easily, it's why I don't get emojis and others love them and are quite happy to post long streams of them that mean loads to those of the same cognitive type, where as I just look at them and think Eh? Of course not being able to see them properly even with my glasses dosen't help either. I need a longer form of commuication, not short forms of text speak and emojis, especially when theres an emotional depth to what people are communicating, I don't understand memes either, probably because I don't inhabit the spaces that use them, but it's very difficult for those of us who aren't AUDH to always understand WTF people are on about.

I know I'm a deep thinker, who's uncomfortable with binary answers, choices and rules based thinking and black and white thinking in general, I guess some people read what I've posted and think 'WTF's she on about now, I can't be bothered to read all that, why can she just say it with a meme and a couple of emojis?' I see patterns in a lot of things, the story behind the story, where things that seem very different are expression of a similar thing and sometimes the same thing, it's very rare for me to think in a straight line, to me the world is like a jigsaw where I can see the whole picture and at the same time move pieces around, this happens in different dimensions and levels too, nothing is vertical or flat and without texture.

Having had training in both counselling and a history degree has really taught me to ask questions of questions, to look under the surface of whats presented to me and to say the unpleasant, the deviant, the socially unexceptable, to name the game being played and ask others if they see the game too and do they really want to play it? This is uncomfortble for many people, but once I've seen something like that I can't unsee it, I can't not say what I see, people of a more binary type of thinking or an analytical type might look and think something like ' the ladders falling down, all the bits are on the floor, must deny the collapse and put the ladder back together'.

I think basically what I'm trying to say is that AUDH is the dominant type here and that why I often feel that I don't fit in, we literally see the world differently, through different lenses. But is it just me that feels like this? Can we make a bit more effort to be accomodating of different types? I wonder if other people come here and are put off because they don't feel reflected in what they read here how responses are framed?

I think theres also a danger that AUDH is seen as the only type or even the most common type of autism and all services end up geared towards AUDH and those of us who express differently are excluded again, are doubly stigmatised by an NT world that dosen't understand and dosen't really want to and an ND world thats seems largely AUDH and is just relieved to have finally been recognised. Included in this exclusion is those of us who don't cope well with the digital world, the dominant narrative being that autistic people don't like talking to others so if we do everything digitally then thats ok. So whilst you lots are happily chatting away using memes and emojis, theres others of us sitting down with a piece of paper, a fountain pen and ink from a bottle, trying to set down our thoughts.

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  • I do feel othered
    the High Energy, rapid paced emotional short hand loving AUDH people.
    I guess some people read what I've posted and think 'WTF's she on about now, I can't be bothered to read all that, why can she just say it with a meme and a couple of emojis?'
    and an ND world thats seems largely AUDH
    So whilst you lots are happily chatting away using memes and emojis, theres others of us sitting down with a piece of paper, a fountain pen and ink from a bottle, trying to set down our thoughts.
    I think we're better than this, we need to be better than this, Autism needs its thiinkers, it's intellectuals, its philosophers, if we don't then how do we meet the increasing challenges to our existance from the outside world, from sections of the political right, journalists and commentators?
    why do we have to cater for the lowest denominator all the time?

    Are you being othered CW, or othering?

    This is just a small example.

    I have personally found this thread patronising with your assumption that you are a 'deep thinker' and the rest of us, from what I understand of your words, are not.

    There has to be some middle ground on this.

    I think I too had concluded that nobody else really liked thinking, making connections from seemingly random threads across time and space, inner and outer. To me its all the Anglo-Saxon/Norse concept of The Wyrd, the warp and weft of the universe, multidimensional and wonderful, if we follow the strands we see what was and whats possible, how it all links what threads cross where and when and how strongly.

    I think we build deep mind spaces by not being embarassed to start posting them, obviously some will drop off the edge into nowhere and others might only be a couple of posts long, but the possibilities are there, if we choose to take them.

    Why don't you create what you believe to be 'deep minded' threads and see if others are actually as 'deep minded' as yourself?

    Maybe some people create the threads that interest them most.  That doesn't mean they are 'shallow minded' or even 'medium deep minded' or any other value you would like to put onto our thinking abilities.

  • I'm not trying to "other" people and I'm sorry if you've interpreted what I'm trying to explain as me me "othering". I do and have tried creating threads that are more deep minded and get very little or no response, as I said I enjoy the light hearted threads and don't see them as shallow, that is a misinterpretation of what I'm trying to say.

    One of the problems with fora like this, is that it can become difficult to say what you feel or think when you're replying to multiple posts on the same subject. Things can become disjointed, obviously in some parts that conversational flow, but in others it can get confusing. By lowest denominator I mean the terminollgy that we're allowed to use, look at how many threads on ornithology have been derailed because some common bird names might be deemed offensive to someone somewhere in the universe. I'm certainly not saying everybody has to think like me or agree with me, I'd just like a little more debate. I have concluded that many people, not just here, but all over the place don't like thinking.

  • I do and have tried creating threads that are more deep minded and get very little or no response,

    That may just be because it is a subject that interests you more than others rather than the others not being 'deep' thinkers.

    I have concluded that many people, not just here, but all over the place don't like thinking.

    I believe that the members of this forum DO  like thinking and demonstrate this in their responses.

    In my case and I suspect others I would appreciate an 'off' or at least 'rest' switch for my brain on occasion.

    Please bear in mind that you don't actually personally know us.

  • Well I guess what I've been trying to say is that I feel lonely in a crowd, so  I'll do what I always do and stop engaging with the crowd and carry on by myself and be the Cat that walks alone, again.

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