Now I'm scared

I'm not scared, I'm angry. Because we rent, we had to pay for new passports when ours expired so that we would be able to prove ID when we moved home. Now apparently those expensive documents aren't enough to prove who we are, because apparently it's easy to forge them! So if they become invalid, will we get a refund? 

From the articles I've read it appears that these new digital IDs will be required to get a job or rent a home, mainly to stop illegal immigration. But what if a wealthy foreigner wants to move here and buy a home? Is it different rules for the rich?

I don't want to get a job (I'm retired) and hope I never have to move again, so I can't see a reason for me to have one.

I can't see how it would work for access to the NHS, as it wouldn't be right to turn away patients if their phone has been lost or stolen, or they are elderly or vulnerable and don't have a smartphone. We already have NHS numbers for identification - that should be enough. And if immigration is controlled by other means, there should not be a significant strain on the NHS.

It wouldn't be about wealth but about legality. If a poor person migrated here legally they would be able to be here on a visa or apply for citizenship if they meet the requirements same as a rich person could. 

This is all to try and reduce the illegal boat crossings and manage the numbers of people migrating here. 

However, there are some people saying that it won't help and their logic is pretty sound. Illegal immigrants will still manage to find work illegally but they would like be pushed into the darkness to work for dodgier employers that could put them at serious risk. And as long as some sort of work is an option people will still risk the boat journey to get here.

It's a really sad situation. People shouldn't need to flee their homes to be safe and find jobs. But the UK is also a small country and it cannot house this many migrants indefinitely. There also needs to be way of keeping track of immigrants and their status in order to keep them and others safe. Who knows what the actual solution to this is.

It wouldn't be about wealth but about legality. If a poor person migrated here legally they would be able to be here on a visa or apply for citizenship if they meet the requirements same as a rich person could. 

This is all to try and reduce the illegal boat crossings and manage the numbers of people migrating here. 

However, there are some people saying that it won't help and their logic is pretty sound. Illegal immigrants will still manage to find work illegally but they would like be pushed into the darkness to work for dodgier employers that could put them at serious risk. And as long as some sort of work is an option people will still risk the boat journey to get here.

It's a really sad situation. People shouldn't need to flee their homes to be safe and find jobs. But the UK is also a small country and it cannot house this many migrants indefinitely. There also needs to be way of keeping track of immigrants and their status in order to keep them and others safe. Who knows what the actual solution to this is.

I'm not too bothered about an ID. I carry an ID all the time anyway and I already know how easy it is for the police to look that up. I don't really see a big issue with having a digital ID. Being chipped and literally tracked however, I would absolutely be protesting about.

I hate how people act towards immigrants, illegal or not. It's vile. They need to come somewhere as where they're from isn't safe. But I also completely understand we can't take everyone indefinitely and we can't have unknown individuals entering and living without any awareness of who they are.

Some people regardless of age find it easier to spend cash than card ita easier to track without back tracking to an app all time time or the alternative and not tracki g jt also whilst you could track friends easily with chips your employer could also go oh your only at home I thought you had plans to go out why don’t you come do that shift?

Expecto_Patronum said:

There also needs to be way of keeping track of immigrants and their status in order to keep them and others safe.

I think another decade will bring the first discussions of having everyone "chipped" like pets so they can be tracked and immigrants will be much easier to identify and follow.

There will make up a good justification as they can then put your passport, voting ID, bank info and criminal record on the chip so you get the convenience of no longer needing a purse / wallet, plus they can do away with physical money which is dirty anyway and only used by criminals and homeless people anyway...

It will make finding missing children so easy, you can find friends in a busy area, can locate the old relative with dementia when they wander off etc.

Once we are used to carrying the voter ID this will give the government the incentive to go to the next step, especially when most of the older, non tech aware people are dead by then so are less of a barrier.