Starmer has announced that he's introducing digital ID cards and as yet theres no alterantive for those of us with no smart phones, althought "they're going to consult" on it, who with or how we don't know. But quite frankly this news has me really scared, terriied, I'm shaking and may have to take some anti-anxiety meds.
I can see a situation where my Mum, me and a few of our neighbours are going to be illegal in our own country and unable to access services.
So we will have to have existing ID to get our digital or not ID, well that would still exclude my Mum and I dont' have enough physical photo ID either, nor does my son according to one jobsworth who refused to accect his photgrapic HMRC warrant card as suitable ID.
How will young people who don't drive and don't have a passport be able to get one?
According to the government only 7% of people don't have smart phones, I wonder how many of the other 93% are like the person mentioned below who can make calls and texts and nothing else.
It is said that there will be all sorts of features built in to make it easy for those with cognitive and other difficulties, I read through them and thought, I still don't think I'd be able to use them, even voice control, what about accents and stuff I think a lot of voice recognition tech still has problems with voice recognition. What about elderly people with croaky voices or those who suffer from a speech impediment?
Switzerland has just had a national referendum on digital ID and it passed by about .8%, 50.4% in favour and 49.6%% against and that was for a voluntary system, not a compulsory one such as our government is proposing. I think we should have a referedum too, and see just how popular the idea really is. Of course the shadow of brexit hangs over any referendum now, but thats not a good reason not to have one. The Brexit referendum was so poorly thought out and the government didn't contemplate losing, hense the mess we've found ourselves in. If we did have a referendum and the people said a resounding No, I wonder how long it would be before they were enforced on us anyway?
Here is information on how the Digital ID scheme will work (if it gets through parliament).
It seems that physical alternatives will be available for those without a smartphone.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/digital-id-scheme-explainer/digital-id-scheme-explainer
I understand. It sucks. I'm not having that digital ID.
Logically, I'd have thought they can't apply it to everyone. I mean I have an 88yr old friend who though she has a phone does not know how to do anything other than click on a link or write a text message. Others are worse. I knew someone (a young girl) who got migraines from screens - she had no tv, no smart phone etc.
So how can they force it? and still be the UK.... and not communism (which obviously this is, in my opinion)
I hope you are signing all those petitions to say No to it.I know my family and friends are.
Thanks for that information. It helps me to appreciate my bias. However, this weighting business does not seem to be strictly scientific, whichever polling organisation does it. My main point is that digital ID is more likely to disadvantage minorities or vulnerable people, a bit like when they claim we should have photo ID to vote. We have all kinds of ID and there is no evidence I have seen that shows it adds to human happiness.
YouGov was set up by Tories if I recall correctly. Compared with other polling organisations, it used to seem to favour the Conservative Party, whilst Survation was more balanced.
"If there’s an opinion poll published by YouGov with figures that do not look great for Labour or the left in general, it often triggers comments on social media about how YouGov shouldn’t be trusted because its owners/founders are Conservatives."
Per Mark Pack, Lib Dem peer:
YouGov: is it biased to the Conservatives?
‘Waiting for Survation’: a reminder of the value of checking the evidence
YouGov was set up by Tories if I recall correctly. Compared with other polling organisations, it used to seem to favour the Conservative Party, whilst Survation was more balanced. In other words, so-called poll weighting may be as much an art as a science. When it comes to digital ID, the views of the average person (who may be okay) are less important than the views of minorities (who could struggle). I can envisage an autistic person without a mobile phone (perhaps temporarily) being barred from an employment opportunity if digital ID was rolled out. As if life wasn't complicated enough, and as if this would help to heal the politically driven divisions in our communities. To me, Labour has a leadership vacancy.
YouGov’s methodology is such that these final public results have been weighted to be representative of the GB population.
I suppose the details of those cards would still need to be held digitally somewhere on a server much like other forms of identification. There’s been a sharp increase of hacking attacks on British infrastructure over the last few years that’s for sure. There are those out there trying to create more instability. We just have to hope these threats are taken seriously and the right precautions are taken along with digital security upgrades as priority.
Why do you say that?
Who are all the people who are what you describe as '..freeloaders, abusing the laws and the health and benefits systems.'? Do you have any actual evidence for this?
Glad you aren’t feeling quite so anxious about it. At least they are free, imagine if they made us pay for it!
I don’t imagine anyone really wants these online ID cards
Overall, almost as many people support it as oppose it:
I am wondering if everyone should be given the option of a card, based on the recent issues with so much hacking of people's data.
Also if it involves an app and passwords that can become a nightmare to get into.
It is the best thing that has happened in the Uk for a long time. The country is full of free loaders abusing laws and the health and benefits systems. There is no reason why anyone shouldn’t come here to work
I'm feeling less scared, but absolutely livid with rage.
I'm phobic of photographs at the best of times, they really freak me out. Retinal scans are just as bad.
They're at least talking about having a physical card now for people without smart phones, but I wonder how often when you go to use it you will be asked to do something that you can only do on a smartphone, like send a photograph.
I think it's all a load of intrusive, bollards from a failing government, thats flailling around to find to relevance and be seen to be doing SOMETHING.
But quite frankly this news has me really scared, terriied, I'm shaking and may have to take some anti-anxiety meds.
Hope you are feeling better today? I can understand how this would make someone anxious. I don’t imagine anyone really wants these online ID cards and it’s a move that does feel like a big change. If you want a drivers license you apply and the same goes for a passport where this is being forced upon us.
You be able to check. The onus is on the letting agent to ensure they have the right to rent. If they don’t have the right to work they won’t have the right to rent. Anyone not on a tenancy agreement can be evicted.
fyi The id is free, its protection for your rights. If you do things by paper they will help you.
It is a worry if you're renting out a property, but then you could let to someone with a digital ID and then find they've sub-let to a load of others. I think it's unfair that the onus is on the landlord to ensure the person you're letting to is legal, big companies may have the skills and resources to do this but how many ordinary people do?
