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My right of reply - and an explanation

Note: I sought and received moderation approval in advance for this post.

Due to some recent interactions, I had been considering leaving this community. Given that I struggle with rejection sensitivity, I thought it might first be a good idea to get objective feedback on the two conversations that led me to this point (regarding the "male menopause" and about dog training).

I asked an external AI (ChatGPT) to review them with a view to understanding whether my tone was reasonable and whether I should have handled things differently.

I’m sharing this not to reopen either debate, but to defend myself against various accusations, to be transparent, and to address any concerns that anyone might have had about my posts. 

I also hope - with genuine and kind intent - that the person who made those accusations will find the conclusions informative and helpful in guiding how they respond to posts (whether from me or others) in the future.

I deeply value constructive dialogue, especially in neurodivergent spaces, and hope this context is helpful in understanding the way that I always aim to engage here: honestly, respectfully, with evidence at the centre, and with clarity.

Results:

The AI's objective review focused on the evidence, communication styles, tone, and potential bias on both sides. It found that:

- “ In both threads, the information Bunny shared was accurate, supported by established sources (e.g., NHS, NICE, ABTC, RSPCA, PDSA, etc.), and reflective of current medical or scientific consensus.

- The other participant repeatedly misrepresented sources (including their own), ignored clear counter-evidence, and introduced gendered or politicised language (e.g., “old women,” “woke dog training”) that distracted from the issues.

- Bunny's tone was direct and occasionally firm, particularly when responding to repeated patterns of misrepresentation or deflection — but overall, it was found to be proportionate, evidence-based, and within reasonable boundaries.

Key takeaways from the review:

For Bunny:

- Bunny's responses were factually accurate and appropriately assertive.
- While a slightly softer tone might be more palatable to some, especially in emotionally charged discussions, Bunny is not obligated to cushion every correction — particularly when misinformation is repeated.
- Setting clear boundaries is both acceptable and, at times, necessary.

For xxxxxx:

- A pattern of cognitive rigidity was observed: not updating views when shown contradictory evidence.
- Use of anecdote over evidence, and the introduction of inflammatory labels (e.g., “misandry,” “woke”), made it harder to engage constructively.
- Greater willingness to engage with reliable sources, consider alternative views in good faith, and avoid personal assumptions would improve future discussions. "

DARVO

I also asked ChatGPT for an objective assessment of whether either or both of us engaged in using DARVO tactics. (One of the accusations made against me was that "DARVO attacks seem to be your tools in trade here").

For context, the AI first explained that:

" DARVO is an acronym that describes a common manipulation tactic often seen in interpersonal conflict:

- Deny the behaviour

- Attack the individual confronting the behaviour

- Reverse Victim and Offender

This pattern is used to deflect responsibility, avoid accountability, and reframe the person who raises a concern as the aggressor. 

It’s important to note: not all use of these tactics is intentional or malicious. Some people use DARVO reflexively when feeling criticised or threatened. "

Again, this is the AI's output (unedited, except for blanking out the other person's name):

“ An objective review was conducted by an external analyst (ChatGPT) of both forum conversations involving Bunny — one concerning the term "male menopause" and the other on "dog training methods." The purpose of the review was to assess whether either party (Bunny or xxxxxx) used DARVO tactics, and to evaluate the overall tone, fairness, and reasoning used by both.

The conclusion was clear: Bunny did not use DARVO tactics in either discussion. She remained focused on addressing factual claims, provided evidence from credible sources (e.g., NHS, NICE, PDSA), and avoided personal attacks or emotional manipulation. Her tone was assertive, but she did not deny her own behaviour, reverse roles, or attempt to portray herself as a victim.

In contrast, xxxxx’s responses demonstrated a recognisable DARVO pattern across both threads:

- Denial – He dismissed or reframed clear factual corrections, often continuing to assert points contradicted by mainstream sources.

- Attack – He questioned Bunny’s motives, suggesting misandry, ideological agendas, or condescension, rather than addressing the substance of her points.

- Reversal of Victim and Offender – He frequently portrayed himself as the wronged party while avoiding responsibility for his own misrepresentations or inflammatory framing.

The review noted that Bunny’s responses showed cognitive flexibility and a focus on clarity and accountability, even under pressure. She consistently challenged ideas rather than individuals, and did so using reasoned arguments rather than deflection or personal critique.

This message is not intended to inflame tensions or restart debate, but to provide clarity. Bunny sought neutral input to ensure that her contributions were fair and proportionate, and the analysis strongly supports that they were. "

Hopefully, this helps any readers of those threads to understand the nature of the exchanges more clearly.

Parents
  • I post the following informative SOLELY based on a comment from the instigator of this "thread" that they made yesterday in another thread entitled "I've Decided to leave the forum" that read;

                            "I’m glad to see the thread [ie this one] has since been quarantined, and I hope it stays that way."

    INFORMATIVE, FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE INSTIGATOR OF THIS THREAD = Anyone who instigates a thread in this place can, at any time of their choosing, and for whatever reason they like, ask for it to be removed from the site and public view.

    COMMENTARY

    (1)  I have used a dictionary to investigate a few adjectives that helpfully describe someone who expresses a desire to achieve something that they have control over, but then does not act of that proclaimed desire.

    (2)  It would appear that NAS Community Forum Management remain of the opinion that this thread was - and remains - suitable for public display based on the fact that it was temporarily removed from the site for a short period of time [presumably for review] and has now reappeared.

    (3)  I wonder how new visitors to this site will perceive the "safety" of the environment here, if they see this OP.

    OPINION = I remain incredulous of, and horrified by, the fact that this thread remains on view in this place.

Reply
  • I post the following informative SOLELY based on a comment from the instigator of this "thread" that they made yesterday in another thread entitled "I've Decided to leave the forum" that read;

                            "I’m glad to see the thread [ie this one] has since been quarantined, and I hope it stays that way."

    INFORMATIVE, FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE INSTIGATOR OF THIS THREAD = Anyone who instigates a thread in this place can, at any time of their choosing, and for whatever reason they like, ask for it to be removed from the site and public view.

    COMMENTARY

    (1)  I have used a dictionary to investigate a few adjectives that helpfully describe someone who expresses a desire to achieve something that they have control over, but then does not act of that proclaimed desire.

    (2)  It would appear that NAS Community Forum Management remain of the opinion that this thread was - and remains - suitable for public display based on the fact that it was temporarily removed from the site for a short period of time [presumably for review] and has now reappeared.

    (3)  I wonder how new visitors to this site will perceive the "safety" of the environment here, if they see this OP.

    OPINION = I remain incredulous of, and horrified by, the fact that this thread remains on view in this place.

Children
  • Number, some newer members here won't know that you have previously been the subject of moderation actions, due to repeatedly criticising my usual posting style (of providing information and links) and bullying me.

    In your post below, you opened by taking yet another swipe at this. You then continued in a similar tone:

    Anodyne blooms of regimented AI generated “advice content” were a large part of what killed and drove away the comforting “autistic resonances” that I had become accustomed to in this COMMUNITY forum for ages.

    I have previously explained the reasons for my usual posting approach (which has never before included using AI), all of which you acknowledged were reasonable. And yet you still continued to criticise me. To the best of my knowledge, the volunteer moderators here have also never used AI to post advice content or links.

    It seems clear that, despite the passage of a long time between then and now, you still have a very large metaphorical axe to grind against me. I also feel that your grudge could be influencing your thinking and/or motivating you to stoke tensions and whip up sentiment against me. 

    I did report your earlier post, but only to ensure that the moderators were aware of it, in case you continued in the same vein as previously. I didn't expect it to removed, but was glad to see evidence (in the form of it having briefly disappeared) that it had been seen by them, in case of further issues.

    I didn't engage with you in respect of your previous reply because I find your presence in this thread triggering, and because your emotions seemed (and still seem) to be running very high. In which context, I didn't feel it would be constructive to try and engage with you.

    I now ask you to desist from engaging further with this thread and from otherwise replying to me (which you have previously offered to do, although I didn't take up your offer at the time).

    post the following informative SOLELY based on a comment from the instigator of this "thread" that they made yesterday in another thread

    In respect of your point 1: which perhaps refers to potentially calling me a hypocrite or similar:

    I posted my comment in Roy's thread at around mid-afternoon yesterday.

    I didn't subsequently notice this thread's reappearance until after business hours had ended yesterday, which was a Friday. Whilst I then drafted an email to the moderators straight away, I know from experience that, even if I had sent it immediately, it would not have been acted on until Monday morning.

    So this thread would have stayed in place over this weekend regardless of whether I had or hadn't emailed them, at that time, to request its removal. 

    That gave me thinking time, as it will make no difference to the timing of this thread's removal if I delay submitting a request until, say, Sunday evening or first thing on Monday.

    I therefore decided to delay sending it, and to take some time away from the forum over this weekend, in order to try and further process everything and to hopefully feel more confident in my final decision.

    Your latest post has severely disrupted my mental processing and state of mind. If anything, it is counterproductive to your cause.

    In the meantime, I have also received messages of moral support. So it seems reasonable to me to take however long I need to consider how I want to proceed, and to feel as comfortable as I can do with my decision.

    At this precise moment, I am undecided. I was aiming to make a final decision, one way or the other, before business hours resume on Monday.

    I if do decide to request this thread's removal, then it might yet happen no sooner than it could otherwise have done. If not, it will remain. In the absence of any further replies, it will then soon drop off the forum's home page (your post boosted it back to the top, and this reply to you will do the same).

    In respect of your point 2: the moderation team's decision, in restoring this thread, is a factor that I am also considering further.

    In respect of your point 3: as stated in my opening post, my original focus in starting this thread was not only to defend myself from false accusations, but also to further inform the person who had been using DARVO tactics in the hope of promoting a more constructive approach to future dialogues (I am not the only person to have been on the receiving end of this type of behaviour).

    Since replying to Lotus, I have also been reflecting on the fact that, when people are aware of DARVO, it is harder for someone to use it against them. In that respect, this thread is helping to raise such awareness within a community of autistic people, who are legally recognised as being more vulnerable than many.

    I will return to considering all of the above and more, but will first need to take a long further break in order to recover from having had to reply to you.