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My right of reply - and an explanation

Note: I sought and received moderation approval in advance for this post.

Due to some recent interactions, I had been considering leaving this community. Given that I struggle with rejection sensitivity, I thought it might first be a good idea to get objective feedback on the two conversations that led me to this point (regarding the "male menopause" and about dog training).

I asked an external AI (ChatGPT) to review them with a view to understanding whether my tone was reasonable and whether I should have handled things differently.

I’m sharing this not to reopen either debate, but to defend myself against various accusations, to be transparent, and to address any concerns that anyone might have had about my posts. 

I also hope - with genuine and kind intent - that the person who made those accusations will find the conclusions informative and helpful in guiding how they respond to posts (whether from me or others) in the future.

I deeply value constructive dialogue, especially in neurodivergent spaces, and hope this context is helpful in understanding the way that I always aim to engage here: honestly, respectfully, with evidence at the centre, and with clarity.

Results:

The AI's objective review focused on the evidence, communication styles, tone, and potential bias on both sides. It found that:

- “ In both threads, the information Bunny shared was accurate, supported by established sources (e.g., NHS, NICE, ABTC, RSPCA, PDSA, etc.), and reflective of current medical or scientific consensus.

- The other participant repeatedly misrepresented sources (including their own), ignored clear counter-evidence, and introduced gendered or politicised language (e.g., “old women,” “woke dog training”) that distracted from the issues.

- Bunny's tone was direct and occasionally firm, particularly when responding to repeated patterns of misrepresentation or deflection — but overall, it was found to be proportionate, evidence-based, and within reasonable boundaries.

Key takeaways from the review:

For Bunny:

- Bunny's responses were factually accurate and appropriately assertive.
- While a slightly softer tone might be more palatable to some, especially in emotionally charged discussions, Bunny is not obligated to cushion every correction — particularly when misinformation is repeated.
- Setting clear boundaries is both acceptable and, at times, necessary.

For xxxxxx:

- A pattern of cognitive rigidity was observed: not updating views when shown contradictory evidence.
- Use of anecdote over evidence, and the introduction of inflammatory labels (e.g., “misandry,” “woke”), made it harder to engage constructively.
- Greater willingness to engage with reliable sources, consider alternative views in good faith, and avoid personal assumptions would improve future discussions. "

DARVO

I also asked ChatGPT for an objective assessment of whether either or both of us engaged in using DARVO tactics. (One of the accusations made against me was that "DARVO attacks seem to be your tools in trade here").

For context, the AI first explained that:

" DARVO is an acronym that describes a common manipulation tactic often seen in interpersonal conflict:

- Deny the behaviour

- Attack the individual confronting the behaviour

- Reverse Victim and Offender

This pattern is used to deflect responsibility, avoid accountability, and reframe the person who raises a concern as the aggressor. 

It’s important to note: not all use of these tactics is intentional or malicious. Some people use DARVO reflexively when feeling criticised or threatened. "

Again, this is the AI's output (unedited, except for blanking out the other person's name):

“ An objective review was conducted by an external analyst (ChatGPT) of both forum conversations involving Bunny — one concerning the term "male menopause" and the other on "dog training methods." The purpose of the review was to assess whether either party (Bunny or xxxxxx) used DARVO tactics, and to evaluate the overall tone, fairness, and reasoning used by both.

The conclusion was clear: Bunny did not use DARVO tactics in either discussion. She remained focused on addressing factual claims, provided evidence from credible sources (e.g., NHS, NICE, PDSA), and avoided personal attacks or emotional manipulation. Her tone was assertive, but she did not deny her own behaviour, reverse roles, or attempt to portray herself as a victim.

In contrast, xxxxx’s responses demonstrated a recognisable DARVO pattern across both threads:

- Denial – He dismissed or reframed clear factual corrections, often continuing to assert points contradicted by mainstream sources.

- Attack – He questioned Bunny’s motives, suggesting misandry, ideological agendas, or condescension, rather than addressing the substance of her points.

- Reversal of Victim and Offender – He frequently portrayed himself as the wronged party while avoiding responsibility for his own misrepresentations or inflammatory framing.

The review noted that Bunny’s responses showed cognitive flexibility and a focus on clarity and accountability, even under pressure. She consistently challenged ideas rather than individuals, and did so using reasoned arguments rather than deflection or personal critique.

This message is not intended to inflame tensions or restart debate, but to provide clarity. Bunny sought neutral input to ensure that her contributions were fair and proportionate, and the analysis strongly supports that they were. "

Hopefully, this helps any readers of those threads to understand the nature of the exchanges more clearly.

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  • Since this is a "right to reply" thread where I am the un-named villan I would like to point out 3 things that are particularly relevant.

    1 - in both threads i posted what I characterised as facts then was attacked by Bunny..

    2 - I remain sure in my convictions that the facts are still pertinant. Both times the responses were not in direct relation to my facts but to a facet or imagined aspect of them.

    3 - I am autistic and my communication style is very direct. I make no apologies for this.

    In light of the above I will not be apologising to Bunny for the discussions although I do admit the style of argument is not a popular one which I will strive to improve.

    I rarely have heated discussions on here but mostly it is the same poster that comes after me so I suspect it will be best if we make a concious effort not to engage further.

      is correct - enough ie enough - I won't be responding further to this or the other threads mentioned above.

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  • Since this is a "right to reply" thread where I am the un-named villan I would like to point out 3 things that are particularly relevant.

    1 - in both threads i posted what I characterised as facts then was attacked by Bunny..

    2 - I remain sure in my convictions that the facts are still pertinant. Both times the responses were not in direct relation to my facts but to a facet or imagined aspect of them.

    3 - I am autistic and my communication style is very direct. I make no apologies for this.

    In light of the above I will not be apologising to Bunny for the discussions although I do admit the style of argument is not a popular one which I will strive to improve.

    I rarely have heated discussions on here but mostly it is the same poster that comes after me so I suspect it will be best if we make a concious effort not to engage further.

      is correct - enough ie enough - I won't be responding further to this or the other threads mentioned above.

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  • 1 - in both threads i posted what I characterised as facts then was attacked by Bunny..

    In each case, in a proactive effort to avoid any conflict with you, I first replied to the person you’d addressed, not to you.

    I politely explained that the claims you’d made were debunked within the very articles that you’d linked to in support of them.

    The only “attacks” came from you towards me, as part of your DARVO tactics - as supported by the analysis.

    2 - I remain sure in my convictions that the facts are still pertinant. Both times the responses were not in direct relation to my facts but to a facet or imagined aspect of them.

    This is a continuation of denial and attempted manipulation - which is also evident in your replies below to  .

    Each time, my responses were in direct relation to the core elements of your claims as you'd presented them. 

    I provided you with ample evidence (including in the articles that you yourself had linked to) refuting each of them, including explaining that they have been debunked based on scientific progress in those fields.

    By contrast, your responses included gaslighting and unfounded accusations of bias (including sexism), not to mention dismissing positive reinforcement dog training as “woke”. 

    3 - I am autistic and my communication style is very direct. I make no apologies for this.

    I’m also autistic, and can tend towards using a direct communication style that can be perceived as blunt. But, without intending any offence, so what? As I’ve said here before, I have no issue with your communication style, or with anyone else’s. 

    An example of someone actually attacking someone else for their blunt, autistic, communication style is your reply to a newer community member here. They had been excluded from a service due to their struggles with it, but you didn’t want to be associated with their behaviour:

    Using your autism as an excuse here is giving us other autists a bad reputation I'm afraid.

    This gives the impression that only your own particular style of autistic bluntness is acceptable to you. (It's also ableist, by the way).

    I do admit the style of argument is not a popular one which I will strive to improve.

    I’m glad to hear this, but I hope you will also come to understand that DARVO isn’t a communication or debating style. Rather, it’s a form of coercive control and gaslighting that aims to manipulate people, and is a common strategy - for example - of psychological abusers.

    When used over time against an individual - as you have done to me - it’s also bullying. It is the cumulative effect of your responses - including the physically and mentally-draining impact of trying to communicate with you when you use it - that has led me feel like leaving.

    You might also find Graham's hierarchy helpful (click / tap to enlarge):

    I won't be responding further to this or the other threads mentioned above.

    As you already know, I disengaged from you 8 days ago in one of the threads and 16 days ago in the other, but thank you for confirming; it gives me some peace of mind.

    I rarely have heated discussions on here but mostly it is the same poster that comes after me

    I have certainly held you to account sometimes. For example, I flagged the value - when offering help to others - of drawing a clearer distinction between when we’re just expressing personal opinions and when we’re sharing established facts. You agreed that was helpful advice, which you later “paid forward” to O&U.

    Whenever I’ve held you to account, I’ve done so respectfully and constructively - which I feel is by far the healthiest and best kind of dialogue for this community or any other. 

    I have wondered, sometimes, why others don’t tend to challenge you in a similar way. Perhaps they don’t wish to be subjected to how you can tend to react.

    Personally, I’d feel complicit in the provision of misleading information if I didn’t speak up. In the case of the dog training thread, for example, I engaged because I had the best interests of the puppy in mind.

    However, whilst I’m not afraid to address such things, I am mindful of the very real and significant negative impacts that your DARVO tactics have been having on me.

    If I stay and it happens again, then it’s something that I will address via the moderation team.

    However, I hope that won’t be necessary. As I explained above, part of my reason for posting this thread at all (rather than just leaving) was that:

    “I also hope - with genuine and kind intent - that the person who made those accusations will find the conclusions informative and helpful in guiding how they respond to posts (whether from me or others) in the future.”

    That remains my sincere hope.