Digital Identitly "cards"

This is an idea thats gaining traction both in government and outside of it. I remember the last time identity cards were mooted, some people thought they were a great idea and we should all have them and show them whenever asked for by an official to show that we really are entitled to things like NHS care etc.

For me the same reasons mostly against then still apply, like who has access to this data and when. Should the police be able to access all my data, medical records, banking, phone calls etc because I've been stopped for a minor traffic offence? Should they be able to access them if I'm accused of a more major crime and if yes which crimes?

Should the DWP and HMRC have access to my my digital records, including if I've ever been convicted of a crime?

Is it any of my doctors business what websites I visit?

Will schools have access to a parents digital identity? Will school records end up on a persons digital ID forever more?

WIll we be able to challenge information on it and have incorrect information removed? Think of how a bad credit rating on your house can effect you.

Would having a digital ID mean that we would not have to have other forms of ID, when opening a bank account, buying a house, starting a college course?

How easy would it be for criminals to fake them?

If your identity was stolen, because someone stole your phone what redress would have, like wise if you lost your phone how would you prove who you are so as you can get your ID back?

One of the reasons given for this idea of digital ID is that 'everyone has a phone', well not everyone does, I don't, my Mum dosen't, she can't even use the stupid phone we've got now let alone a smart one. There are still lots of places where theres no or poor signal, what then? If the government were to bring in such a law then should they give everyone a device, such as a phone where they can keep it and show it when asked, will they run courses off line, face to face in the real world for those of us who don't know how to use them, don't have them and don't want them.

What should the penalties be for refusing to carry such ID, or just having lost it or had it stolen or it needs charging and you need to go out etc?

I can see that there would up sides to it too, like doctors and first responders having access to you medical records instantly, especially if you were unconcious. If it meant goodbye to passports then yippee, also if it meant I don't have to scrabble about trying to find enough of the right sort of ID to do something simple like vote or open a bank account. My Mum can't open another bank account with someone she dosen't already bank with as she has no driving licence, never having been a driver and has no current passport because she no longer goes abroad She has no credit record either as she owes nothing, something else that makes banks unable to give her a credit card for even a couple of hundred pounds.

I think over all I just worry about mission creep and safety and if it will do any good, or will it be just another hoop to jump through?

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  • I don’t think having digital identity cards would make a significant difference to the concerns you list as the government, police and customs have access to the information anyway. Criminals already have a choice of ID to fake in the form of passports, National Insurance identity cards, driving licences and so on. 

    The news often has reports of criminals stealing identities and I expect it would be no different with ID cards. 

    i don’t particularly like the way things are going either, but I suspect we will have to go along with it, even if we don’t agree with it. I would like to know if polling has shown clear majority opinion one way or another.

    In many European countries, it has been the norm for years to carry ID cards.

    If it becomes law, you could avoid having to carry an ID card by getting a QR code tattooed on your wrist, alternatively a scannable implant would be discreet LOL.

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  • I don’t think having digital identity cards would make a significant difference to the concerns you list as the government, police and customs have access to the information anyway. Criminals already have a choice of ID to fake in the form of passports, National Insurance identity cards, driving licences and so on. 

    The news often has reports of criminals stealing identities and I expect it would be no different with ID cards. 

    i don’t particularly like the way things are going either, but I suspect we will have to go along with it, even if we don’t agree with it. I would like to know if polling has shown clear majority opinion one way or another.

    In many European countries, it has been the norm for years to carry ID cards.

    If it becomes law, you could avoid having to carry an ID card by getting a QR code tattooed on your wrist, alternatively a scannable implant would be discreet LOL.

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  • How is the information 'already out there'? At the moment the police have to get a warrent to access things like medical records and financial information and information from phones. I don't like the idea of a more detailed digital strip search because I have a broken indicator I didn't know about. I don't have any remote banking or anything like that, despite my bank trying to force it on me, I only gave them my mobile number because I had to for OTP's.

    I'm quite happy with the idea that if I was found unconcious in the street that ambulance staff could access my records, providing my phone or whatever hadn't already been stolen. What would happen if one's ID was stolen? Would you still get NHS treatement, would you be billed until you could provide a replacement ID?

    My mum for example only has an email address and has bought a couple of things online, that's the extent of her digital footprint, how would people like her who can't really use a simple dumb phone cope with having to show a digital ID?

    Bunny, thats one poll and it hardly shows a majority in favour, it shows a majority who are not sure, even when they think the idea is good.

    Everone seems to be saying the believe it's inevitable, and it probably is, but no one has attempted to answer my questions about who has access to what and when?

    What happens if your identity proof is stolen or lost, like in a house fire?

    Will it be a one stop thing that holds all your information, driving licence, passport, etc and would it mean that I didn't have to have any of the others?

    Will showing it become another hoop to jump through when wanting to do something like open a new bank account with us still having to show other proofs of identity and what would they be?

  • I would like to know if polling has shown clear majority opinion one way or another.

    According to YouGov's biannual tracker, the majority is in favour of a system of national identity cards:

    Strongly support:  25%
    Tend to support:   34%
    Don't know:          19%
    Tend to oppose:   13%
    Strongly oppose:  9%