Published on 12, July, 2020
“What doesn’t kill you makes you stronger” is an outdated statement that has no basis in reality. I don’t think damaging someone’s mind with something like trauma is making someone stronger but impairing them for the rest of their lives. Stress eventually does kill people because it weakens a person’s body by increasing their heart rate and weakening their immune systems making them more susceptible to infection or other diseases like cancer, teeth decay, etc. and that sure isn’t making anyone stronger.
The truth is that what doesn’t kill can either eventually kill you in the end or leave you mentally damaged for the rest of your life. I know the statement is a manipulation tactic that is forced upon the population to try and make everyone the same by making having emotions and being upset and hurt by something as a weakness due to toxic masculinity, misogyny and racism that was created by cis white straight male supremacy.
Honestly a lot of our social “norms”, like not holding people accountable, and stuff like this all can be pinpointed back to cis white straight male supremacy and as an Autistic who’s also Hispanic (I’m half Puerto Rican so not only have I dealt with discrimination for being gay and Autistic, I have also had to deal with racism), I see this a lot more clearly than allistics, neurotypicals and even white Autistics that a lot of ideologies in both the UK and the US (where I am from) come from white colonizers who forced their way of thinking onto those who didn’t conform to what they think is how people should function.
Indigenous and Hispanics have pretty much had their history erased. With Puerto Ricans, for example, our original Indigenous ancestry has gone extinct due to colonization by the Spaniards so there’s no way to know how Indigenous people of the Americas once lived before being forced to live with cis white straight male supremacy ideologies on how a society should be. For all we know the indigenous people of America held people accountable for their actions and had them make things right.
I mean seriously when you look throughout history with cis white straight male supremacy its always about not holding cis white men accountable for their actions, whether that’s colonization, the enslavement of an entire ethnic group, forcing their religious beliefs on everyone and so on and so forth.
My point is a lot of our “social norms” are cis white straight male supremacy ideologies that have always been for the benefit of anyone but minority groups, things like “what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger” has a deep ties to racism and misogyny when you look at our history. Think about it, before women had to be married to a man and couldn’t divorce him at all for any reason, regardless of if they were r*ped, beaten, cheated on, etc. women had to be “strong” housewives and sit there and endure and conform to that despite the mental harm and trauma they endured and I wouldn’t be surprised if many ended up dead because of it, whether by murder or stress eventually killing them.
So yeah the whole “what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger” is just outdated and has heavy ties to cis white straight male supremacy. As an Autistic person who’s also two other minority groups (gay and Hispanic), particularly one that has to deal with racism and white supremacy, this gets used to justify racism, homophobia and even the bigotry and mistreatment of Autistic people, and they can lead to other mental health problems such as anxiety, depression due to low self-esteem, fear for ones life, mistrust in authority figures like police or the justice systems in majority white countries, most, if not all, are rigged against BIPOC and mentally disabled people, and when you Autism into the mix, yeah just none is a good combination to deal with…
well to be accurate, written history started with the development of written language, which dates way before the Romans. Just to mention a few... Accadic, Sanskrit and Early Egyptian, besides Early Chinese. :)
its kinda more human civilisation than white civilisation though as every single ethnicity commits to wars all the time... just that written history is roman, it started with rome, and charts european history... other groups didnt write history, aside from china, which was like the rome of the east, so we see huge wars in chinese history... much bigger and vaster than european wars.... china had wars with battles of 1 million men on each side when europe was having tiny field wars of 50 men per side lol
Where did I write that I hate every white person? Direct reference please?
Au contraire, please reread.
'Yes I am against racism, in fact any ideology that divides people into hierarchical structures of superiority and inferiority - racism, ableism, sexism, whatever-ism. ' - I am against any ideology that writes on their flag 'we are better then them, and based on this claim it is ok for us to have more rights, privileges and power'.
' Not personally and individually , but identifying with a greater collective, we have historical dirt on our shoes, or blood on our hands. ' - You actually agree, as yes, leaders of white groups drawn their people in wars to fight not just against non-white but also against other white groups. It's still nothing to be proud of. Blood is blood. If you then think that the opposite of being proud of something is hating it, and therefore I hate every white person, then you are mistaken. I don't hate every white person, but I am certainly not proud of every aspect of the history of white civilisations, I am indeed ashamed of quite a few, even if I did not commit those atrocities myself.
'And of course not all Muslims are terrorists, that's ludicrous! There are close to 2 billion Muslims living in the world, five of which are my loving kind neighbours and their Biryani is to die for. Those five alone invalidate such idiocy.' - Not all Muslims are terrorists, equally not all White people are blood-spillers. My point is, once an argument is generalised and over-simplified it technically loses its validity, it is in fact a false statement. Sadly thought, it has not stopped a minority people to use for propaganda purposes in order to lead a larger number of their group and instigate against another group.
So if you see the OP like a rescue dog with a history of abuse, based on which it is highly cautious about any person he identifies as a possible next abuser, how would you progress? Blame the dog for its behaviour? Or encourage it to see the world through other eyes?
then in that case TikTok doesn't exist either because it was founded after 2010, is that your way of explaining the world?
NAS64261 said:And no, 'cis' short for 'cisgender' is a word.
no it isnt, because it was only made in recent times, and it didnt exist at all until 2010 and onwards.
so again your saying its ok to hate every white person on the planet and constantly hate them and shame them and bring uop how you think theh are evil... for a single act some of them did in history that was bad... and your saying we should collective be hated for it even now despite it being so long ago.then with muslims their bad stuff happened recently but your not using the same logic with them... no, they are nice people.... seems hypocrisy and now your hatred against white people is totally unreasonable.also we are not white... you cant group us all as white, thats kinda racist itself, another american racism by lack of factual information. if we was all a collective white group then wed never have fought against one another.... most of our evils, most of the "white mans" evils... have been mainly against other white people.... mainly.. you cannot dispute that... every single war we had in history was murdering other "white" people in huge amounts, all in total shames and makes anything we did to any other colour look tiny and meaningless and nothing in comparison... but yeah, thats what happens when you group us all as white when we are not white... we are english, french, german, irish, scottish, jewish, greek, spanish, italian, polish, norwegian, swedish, finish, ukrainia, russian, cornish, welsh, i can go on for years with this as we are not all the same monolithic group you can justify your hatred for.... this is MUCH worse than claiming all muslims are terrorists and i dunno how to make you see that.
Yeah, your example of the dog being mistreated by ONE male adult, applying it's passive-aggressive behaviors to ALL male adults. This how I view the OP. It's as if they were mistreated by someone, and now they dislike an entire group of people. I've rationalized that in society, whenever people are told to hate an entire group of people, atrocities always happen. So I don't like to hate entire groups of people, and I think that's what anti-discrimination laws were trying to prevent people from doing, from discriminating against each other.
I've been abused growing up, however I disagree with your point of view. People who understand this phrase "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger" are those who are willing to face pain, face fear, and face the challenges that are in front of them, in order to become better than they once were. Those who workout their bodies have to face feeling pain, but the body repairs itself after a few days, and then they continue. It's not easy to face pain and fear, as the mind is designed to avoid those things as a means of survival, but if you can, what was a challenge yesterday would be a lot easier to do today. This applies for both mental and physical challenges.
It's not that strength is always used to demean and harm others either, as I've learned over the years. Strength can help you rescue a person (or if you don't have the strength, the strength of a group of people can definitely help lift one person). And strength helps you become independent, as you can lift your own things like groceries and boxes when you're alone, and not depend on someone else to lift it for you. Also, working out the back is important, to decrease the likelihood of back injuries, which are no fun.
I've stopped caring about the abuser, as they've used strength to harm people. I don't blame the whole of society, for what one person has done to me. And there is "healthy masculinity" too, as opposed to masculinity always being toxic. To discriminate against anyone based on their race, ethnicity, sexual orientation, sex, gender is just well, discrimination. To paint a picture that all "cis white straight males" are toxic and against autism, even when they could be a "cis white straight male" AND autistic, is just degrading. Do you think "cis white straight males" don't get abused as well? Look at the type of stuff you're posting, and tell me that's not abusive. The color of their skin, biological sex, or sexual orientation, has no barring on whether or not they'll be abusive/act superior to others.
And if you start targetting all "cis white straight males" and blaming them for everything wrong in your life, that's no different than the mindsets of abusers, who blame everyone and take out their anger on everyone, even if those people have done nothing wrong to hurt them. That behavior and mindset is toxic. Don't judge an entire group of people like that. It's harmful. Blame the specific people who have done harm to you, not an entire group of people. That's like if I stole from you, and you blame my entire race, sexual orientation, and biological sex, for doing that to you. No. Blame me. I did that to you. Why are you blaming hundreds of thousands of people who have never stolen from you before?
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NAS64261 said:And no, 'cis' short for 'cisgender' is a word. It counts in Scrabble. Yes you could equally say 'someone born with the same gender as they are currently and identify as the same gender' but you'd run out of letters.
Thank you for your very calm and well reasoned contribution to this thread, which I've enjoyed reading (your posts I mean) and for this para which made me smile (I think 2 glasses of madeira helped too).
So, Caelus, is he a Marxist? Or is Kefka right saying it's a bot? It cannot be both.
I do not know from where you have derived your knowledge but Marxism - or the ideology of Socialism and Communism - is based on the division of mankind by class and capital, not be race.
Yes I am against racism, in fact any ideology that divides people into hierarchical structures of superiority and inferiority - racism, ableism, sexism, whatever-ism.
I take on board that you feel personally offended, but I regret to tell you that in the history of mankind not a single organised collective group has existed that at one point of time or place didn't get nasty with another group. Not personally and individually , but identifying with a greater collective, we have historical dirt on our shoes, or blood on our hands. If you believe that the greater collective that you identify with has had a history like a saint... then feel free to believe in whatever pleases you.
And of course not all Muslims are terrorists, that's ludicrous! There are close to 2 billion Muslims living in the world, five of which are my loving kind neighbours and their Biryani is to die for. Those five alone invalidate such idiocy.
And not 1000 years... people who remember Vietnam are still around. And whether 'us' Allies had to really flatten numerous German cities between 1943 and 1945 that definitely were not military targets in order to win the war is also highly debatable.
But we digress.
And no, 'cis' short for 'cisgender' is a word. It counts in Scrabble. Yes you could equally say 'someone born with the same gender as they are currently and identify as the same gender' but you'd run out of letters.
Thank you! This is exactly it.
There was a history of the North American continent before 1776, and the history and lives of the indigenous people of that continent has changed dramatically badly ever since.
Perhaps you could say that there are parallels to be drawn in Europe as well, when the Gothic tribes drove back the Romans in the 3rd to 7th century, or when the Normans claimed the Anglo-Saxon kingdom as theirs in 1066.
What part of England is that where you live where white people are in such minority as you describe?
Accusation and guilty until proven innocent?
Perhaps the OP is a virtual user, perhaps not. Perhaps a bot by your definition will respond by your definition, perhaps not. Perhaps you're right, equally perhaps you're not.
And why again the deviation from the OP's original statement and the announcement of escalation (I will counter them 3fold)?
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I silenced a bot that will NEVER respond. Do you understand the words I'm typing? The OP is a BOT! Do you understand that EVERYTHING posted in the first post is an American BOT?Once we get past that my friend, I'm not trying to insult you, you and I are both Autistic. I loathe them not you.An American bot posted an American algorithm and as an American I'm telling you the OP will NEVER respond and WE are wasting our time because that's the point.You are English, I am American. When I see English in American dialect I know when it's a bot or not.If this person isn't a bot it will be able to counter my points. If it does, I assure you, I will counter them 3 fold with what is considered garlic to the American vampire. . . The truth.
what am i guessing and cannot know?the guys a classic marxist hate spreader, whether hes been brainwashed or not or whether hes a source of it it doesnt matter as hes spreading it and its just racism.if your against racism youd be against it in all forms, not be ok with demonising and hating people for being white... and spreading lies about us and claiming we are all bad, thats just pure racism. and again its worse than saying all muslims are terrorists because the bad things you hate white people for are 1000 years old while the things muslims are hated for happened only in 2000s and continue to happen right now ongoing...also cis doesnt exist, its a made up imaginary term that no one uses.... the fact only "none cis" use it to paint normal straight people as is a sign its a derogatory word... as only when its a word not the target uses but the opposite thing made up and uses means its derogatory, otherwise the target would be using it, the target does not use that, so its derogatory made up hate word anyway.
And what has all what you just wrote got to do with the OP's point?
But as you have diverged to America (you mean the USA, right), I am really confuddled with something.
Why this year does it seem that the nation is perfectly fine that the post for the most powerful political position in the country is contended by two people who statistically won't make it to the end of the next term (and in fact they by statistics should already be dead)? I know it has also absolutely nothing to do with this thread, but if you choose to diverge, let's do it one rule for everyone. Makes sense?
Nas61 I don't even know what you are trying to defend against Caelus at this point. Seriously my friend, the OP is more than likely an American BOT. Take it from an American. I don't even know what you are trying to say to Caelus. You need to realize that real people like US are in this together and there are lots of bots that make claims and this one is claiming to be American and as an American I'm telling you it's not even human.It will never respond and it's statement is a copy paste of chat GPT. You must learn to discern this BS from your reality. We aren't your enemy, they are because they aren't real!!