Published on 12, July, 2020
I have huge problems taking holiday, and previously only travelled to see my mother who I didn't get on with and it was always very traumatic. I stopped visiting her years ago and have a rue that l my holidays had to be productive and learning to justify the amount of anxiety preparing for them brings out. So it's been Thai boxing camp and Berlin as I was learning German. I haven't been away for almost 8 years. This was all before I even though I might be aspie. Just the preparing, arranging a sitter for my cats, getting to the airport on time and not missing the flight makes me tense and the whole thing not worth it.
I purchased tickets to see Rammstein in Berlin on Saturday. I bought the tickets last year as I really like their music and I haven't been away for a very long time and I though I would treat myself to a nice ticket and a trip as I though since I've been learning for a while and been hyperfixated on the band plus I could practice my German would be a good way to start again. Now, if you've read anything about Rammstein you'll know what a disaster this has turned out to be! The sex offence charges against the lead singer, the protest plant for this weekend in Berlin etc. I haven't been able to do much for the last week. I'm really conflicted but because reading all the facts it looks like the singer is guilty as charged. But my ticket was really expensive, and I worked so hard preparing everything and then there's the ticket price and obviously part of me feels duty bound to get this done. I can't help it! I don't know how to feel about any of this but I'm feeling increasingly, dangerously, upset. I have people telling me I shouldn't go, people telling me I should go. I'm still doing the flight part but I haven't thought past that point. It's weird, but it doesn't feel like it's moral decision. Maybe because I was more into the music than the individuals? Maybe I'm horrible and selfish, and a bad person who only cares about her tasks. Why am I still going? Why do I still want to? Just thinking about this is making me want to just run somewhere else and hide and never come back (even though I can't. cats.) I Don't see the band as people maybe, just sounds? I'm not sure.
I think I jut need a place to get this off my chest. I don't expect to hear nice things. or anything at all. Seeing bands live was the only place Ii felt I could relax. Weird isn't it. I can't do parties or dinners. But just drowning in a sea of people anonymously listing to music you like makes me relax. Not sue I can do that again though as people will always just be people.
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I'd agree except for the patriotism, I see no need to be proud of a country, we're all human so division by country seems pointless to me, and only personal liberties as long as they don't infringe on anyone else's. I have no problem with a free market for non-essentials, but the necessities should be government controlled, healthcare, utilities, infrastructure etc.
What we need is something that conjoins the freedom and individuality of capitalism (with constitutional guarantees of personal liberty) with the responsibility for ones fellow man of socialism (regardless of who they are) with the patriotism of fascism (embracing unity with out uniformity or jingoism) and the willingness to work together through tough situations of communism (with leaders leading by example and everyone rich or poor pitching in).
It's ironic but statistically your child is far safer hanging out with a dodgy looking guy in a trench coat than their uncle / aunt.
I'm sorry, what? No one here is gaslighting anyone.
And we're saying right wing because last month Suella Braverman brought up grooming gangs as being of Pakistani origin in an interview. In fact she said, “(We see) a practice whereby vulnerable white English girls — sometimes in care, sometimes in challenging circumstances — being pursued, raped, drugged, and harmed by gangs of British Pakistani men, who work in child abuse rings or networks.” and mentioning that organisations and law enforcement had been mum on the issue owing to political correctness, she added, “We've seen institutions, social workers, state agencies, cops, and social workers turn a blind eye to this — out of political correctness and out of fear of being called racist. There are many perpetrators running wild and behaving in this way, and it is now time for authorities to track these perpetrators down without fear or favour and bring them to justice.”
Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but Suella "let's send our immigrants to Rwanda" Braverman is most definitely a right-wing darling, so when one of her major talking points (above) comes up in discussions in such an obvious way, it's generally a clear sign that the person bringing it up holds right-wing values.
And any time someone starts talking about pandering to race, or political correctness, it reminds me of a quote from Neil Gaiman:
"I was reading a book (about interjections, oddly enough) yesterday which included the phrase "In these days of political correctness... talking about no longer making jokes that denigrated people for their culture or for the colour of their skin. And I thought, "That's not actually anything to do with 'political correctness'. That's just treating other people with respect."
Which made me oddly happy. I started imagining a world in which we replaced the phrase "politically correct" wherever we could with "treating other people with respect", and it made me smile.
You should try it. It's peculiarly enlightening.
I know what you're thinking now. You're thinking "Oh my god, that's treating other people with respect gone mad!"
--Neil Gaiman, February 14, 2013
This might help you:
She's right, It's as easy to get tag teamed by a bunch of weirdo's here, as it is anywhere else.
Touay has a point, though.
They always start off calling you "right wing", I've seen that tactic since I was a kid. I actually thought I WAS right wing until I took (several) political alignment tests!
It's called gaslighting, and it's been applied wholesale to the sectors of my demographic for decades now.
YOU are the carbon they are trying to eliminate.
JUST go and look at the current population figures since 1950 and draw a line...
But someone has got you all arguing about how many pronouns can dance on the head of a pin...
And the numbers keep declining...
Also, you appear to be conflating socialism with communism, they aren't the same. But you want to talk about the death toll for socialism? Shall we also talk about the death toll for capitalism vs socialism?
With the analysis of the death toll of capitalism, we are talking about people killed in the name of profit indirectly, or directly.
Capitalist countries funded fascist governments, so lets add 200 million people to the toll since that is the death toll of fascism.
Running total - 200 million
Capitalist countries were also responsible for colonialism in order to rip out profits from Africa and other nations and acquire slaves; the total death toll of European colonialism is around 50 million.
250 million deaths
Also the British colonised India and managed to kill 1.8 billion Indians through depravation by stealing nearly 45 trillion dollars, nearly 25% of the entire world's wealth at the time.
2.05 billion deaths
European powers colonising the Americas, the deaths of indigenous people and the American genocide of native population's caused around 200 million deaths.
2.35 billion deaths
Since the capitalist nations also heavily sanctioned the communist states we will add another 70 million deaths.
2.42 billion deaths
The USA is also responsible for the deaths of nearly 60 million slaves.
2.48 billion deaths
The USA has killed nearly 5 million people in Arabia and North Africa by funding dictators and airstrikes.
2.485 billion deaths
So the final number must be MUCH higher once we take into account the deaths caused by capitalism is first world countries by lack of access to healthcare in the US, and from underfunding public services and healthcare in other western countries, there is simply too many things to count. But generally capitalism has killed nearly 2.5 billion people, while everyone claims that communism has killed nearly 100 million. So please, compare the numbers of communism to capitalism, 100 million to 2.5 billion (low estimate).
Are you calling me disagreeing with you abuse? I've not insulted you in any way, that's you who have done that to me. I've not disparaged you in any way, it's you who have done that to me.
We have a disagreement that has resulted in a debate but at no point have I "abused" you.
I think you should desist or people might start to give you back as good as they get from you.
the lies about me on this site and the abuse have all been one way so far - toward me ... even on this thread.
that you openly call yourself a socialist when socialism was responsible for more than 100 million murders in the 20th century is to your shame .. it doesn't need me to comment on it.
Touay said:as one of the people who has abused me on this site,
That has never happened.
Prove it.
You went off on one because I simply asked you to prove something you stated as a fact.
That's all I did.
SImple.
And you never did so, by-the-way.
Touay said:I did not bring up right wing in this thread
I quoted you on it.
Debbie, as one of the people who has abused me on this site, i suggest you are not in a strong place to make such statements. And you still owe me an apology.
I did not bring up right wing in this thread ... please read fully before you post more false claims about me.
Touay said:But we should just ignore that ... because it is 'right wing'!
Why do you constantly slam the 'left-wing' in these sorts of posts (indirectly here of course).
There are clearly people posting here of different political views but I find you the most offensive.
I've voted Labour all my life and view myself as a socialist, so every time you slam the 'left' (and I think you have twice at least likened it the Nazi party) you personally offend me.
Touay said:what fcuking 'narrative' i gave ONE EXAMPLE ..... ONE EXAMPLE ... ffs. that you went off because you have a desire to cover up the crimes of one racial group is where we went off the rails.
That is completely unnecessary.
At no point did BeckyThump evidence any desire of that sort, and why swear?
You just have a viewpoint, it's not a fact, it's a viewpoint, so it would be appreciated if you could occasionally realise that and not personally attack others (as you have me before) because someone challenges you.
A down vote is a way of signifying disagreement with a comment, not that the comment shouldn't be made. It's a thumbs up or thumbs down option. I disagree with the relevance of your comment so you got a down vote, I also said that the comment wasn't relevant to the discussion by posting statistics showing it's not the most prevalent issue concerning sexual assaults.
And whilst you're not obligated to discuss every single situation of a thing as you say, you absolutely picked one that is a very odd choice considering the discussion. You brought race into it, no one else had mentioned it at that point because it's not relevant here.
And again, stop accusing me of trying to cover up an issue due to race. I have done no such thing. Saying it isn't relevant to this discussion isn't the same as saying it's not relevant to any discussion.
In fact, go ahead and start a thread on it and I'll happily talk about it there with you, and we can leave this thread for a discussion on this issues surrounding the lead singer of Rammstein and the moral appropriateness of still attending the concert, or not.
BeckyThump said:No one has said you're not allowed to talk about it, stop putting words in my mouth.
down-voting the post, as you did, is a signify of disapproval for me posting about it. that is to say ... don't post about this.
without any need to, you started posting statistics intended to downplay the issue ...
All you needed to say was ... "I don't think that is the biggest issue when it come to SA, but I take your point", but you didn't say that. I am being falsely accused of being racist by an actual racist when I think people, regardless of race, should be condemned and prosecuted for SA when she thinks if you are a certain racial group, we should cover up those crimes ... treating people differently based on race ... that is racism.
BeckyThump said:Where is your indignation for all the women that aren't believed?
I gave ONE EXAMPLE... I am not required to cite every single situation of a thing and express my opinion of every single example when giving one example. to suggest otherwise is disingenuous at best. and besides, I have REPEATEDLY condemned all SA in this thread ... all includes EVERYTHING.
BeckyThump said:All of these are a far bigger issue than grooming gangs but you're not getting wound up about that because it doesn't fit with your narrative.
what fcuking 'narrative' i gave ONE EXAMPLE ..... ONE EXAMPLE ... ffs. that you went off because you have a desire to cover up the crimes of one racial group is where we went off the rails.
No one has said you're not allowed to talk about it, stop putting words in my mouth.
No one here is saying that grooming gangs are not an issue, no one here is saying they shouldn't be investigated due to the race of the perpetrators, and no one here is saying that any coverups shouldn't be investigated. You are quite literally making up reasons to feel persecuted.
I merely said it's not relevant to talk about it here because the issue we're talking about isn't race related. There are far more pertinent issues to talk about with relation to the topic of lack of action on sexual assaults without bringing race into it, namely the lack of belief in victims reporting it.
Where is your indignation for all the women that aren't believed? For the ones mocked and insulted for making accusations against men with more power and standing than them? For the ones disowned by their families for being perceived as "asking for it"? For being told that they brought it on themselves by the way they dress, or the places they go?
All of these are a far bigger issue than grooming gangs but you're not getting wound up about that because it doesn't fit with your narrative.
By the way, the guy that drugged me in the bar was a young white male. Sorry it doesn't fit your profile for a despicable person.
T said:I'll downvote racism any time I see it, and you're bringing to the table a point of view overwhelmingly favoured by racists.
you mean you will falsely accuse people of racism in order to protect child grapists from public scrutiny .. classy.
You made my point better than I did, thank you.
BeckyThump said:My issue here is that it's not relevant to what we're talking about so it seemed an odd choice of example to use in this instance.
it was simply an example of a problem of SA that has not been resolved ... nothing more... that I got jumped on "you not allowed to talk about that" ... is where it went off the rails.