I can't relate to most autistic people

I find it so hard. I don't feel like I'm a part of either the neurotypical or neurodivergent commmunity. Ive been diagnosed with adhd so a lot of typical autistic traits don't apply to me...I'm in an autistic coaching group with other young males but they all seem to be interested in stereotypical autisitc traits like having an interest in dugeons and dragons and stuff like that. I want to meet new people but it seems everything is so forced in meetup groups and is aimed for "geeky" people like that.

I don't really have any "special interests". I like working out, driving, writing. I'm a straight white male, 19, and my interests or more or less the same as NTs my age: i was briefly at university and I enjoyed clubbing etc and going out getting drunk, but it seems most autistic people don't like that? I can be successful with women as well although nto as much as NTs...

Had to go to my local mental health centre the other dya because I think a relapse in my depression started and they gave me links to local autistic groups...all of which seem to focus on people with severe, low functioning autism rather than being mildly high functioning autism, but mild enough to have social difficulties etc. 

It feels hopeless.

Parents
  • I have a theory that ADHD is very different than Autism. From what I've read, we share the hyper-active Gamma waves in our brains, but all the ADHD individuals I know, love the chaos while Autistic individuals need their external environment and to fine-tune their hyper focus to balance it.

    Other than that, I have noticed that ADHD people are amazing at communicating well and understanding both NeuroTypes - a bit like a bridge between worlds. But everyone I know and have met are incredibly smart! 

  • They are very different, for instance - people always tried to tell me as an autistic person i would love routine. As it happens I hate routines, i never plan anything and just make things up as i go along. I was always told to plan my essays in school etc but I never planned - i just wrote, and would still get top marks. I wrote a novel with no real plan, just developed it as i wrote and it's pretty good.

  • Haha. NeuroTypicals get this bit wrong! When we understand a system around us, we can navigate better. We thrive in order, it isn't us creating the order, exactly. It's the NT who need to be reliable. Parents cannot be crazy-making or they will cause unnecessary problems for their Autistic kids. Society needs a certain amount of structures. One cannot make sense of nonsense. 

  • What's important is that you find life interesting. I don't think autistic Individuals find it more or less so than non-autistics, we just don't speak with their codes and can't always shut our brain down when it's excitedly making incredible connexions. And THEN we tend to feel intensely about these new findings. Sensory impact.

    The problem with life is one needs to make money and survive - hopefully thrive. Part of thriving is having passions. Some may be like a lovely meal - something to ingest and move on from. Others may become part of our daily routine. :)

  • Very helpful yes, I can certainly relate to explaining in "too much" detail. Such as when my teacher wanted me to give an example of extra reading I had done which would strengthen my application to study Natural Sciences at university. I started explaining how I was watching a Volcanology lecture and I went into depth about a mathematical model that was being used to predict the decrease in the temperature of water at certain distances from hydrothermal vents on the ocean floor, taking into account all sorts of different variables. The teacher had to stop me from explaining it all because I was supposed to just give an example of something I had read about rather than actually explaining it in detail and why I found it interesting! Unfortunately I have since lost the lecture I was watching (it was part of a greater series on volcanology) which is frustrating because it was really well done, even if some of the actual calculus involved was a bit over my head with lots of Greek symbols I haven't learnt yet. Its also a bit frustrating when I try to work out which interests are temporary versus longer term, I haven't found a reliable way to distinguish between them. Some of my interests such as in professional cycling have been around for years and years, and have branched off into more specialised interests, but others have hardly lasted a few months.  

  • We tend to be observers (in my observation). We can pick up sensory surroundings with much less filtering (if any) than our non-autistic peers. This means, we might not quite miss social cues which might hide intention, because we might be able to perceive the conflict of someone saying one thing and doing another and not understand the point of the "theatrics" of it all.

    It can feel like all of life is a laboratory. And if you're deposited into a lab, with everything you need yet no exact precision and training with how to go about it, you might find yourself confused.

    Everything in nature works like clockwork: The gravitational pull of the sun, the Orbit of Earth, the system creating air pressure (even if it isn't constant), the song of birds, the reproduction of species, the seasons and so on. Everything is obedient to what we've termed "the Laws of Nature" and so it is we know how to build aeroplanes.

    Now, humans on the other hand with their capacity to understand and reason, don't always pay attention to  the Laws of Nature. And so it is we can be unpredictable and unreliable. These are the "Systems" in motion. I would simply suggest Autistics are better in-tune with our surroundings and function better when structure is predictable. Being more observant, we might have to spend time in a book (for instance) to learn ways to incorporate certain daily tasks or measures of reliability into our lives if we have not been given this by our parents. 

    But yes, without learned practical ways of being, too much chaos is not productive. However, any skill or discipline or trade or honed talent is far more effective within boundaries/rules which then promote creative use. Does this help? I'm sometimes too much with explanations :) 

  • Exactly, Given a nice well set up workshop I can do great things, but as it stands I have ALL the components for an epic electronics workshop, but 2 years later it's a half built mess...

  • So is what you are saying that people on the spectrum don't necessarily create their own routines but rely on ones set up by those around them? I've always felt so much more productive in a school environment, and I also typically hate unexpected change (like my parents telling me I might need to start getting the train again all of a sudden to travel which has given me a lot of anxiety) Sorry if I misinterpreted what you were saying. But I'm certainly not ordered at home and I feel terribly unproductive, my room has been an absolute mess with my study notes everywhere for the last 2 years!!

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  • So is what you are saying that people on the spectrum don't necessarily create their own routines but rely on ones set up by those around them? I've always felt so much more productive in a school environment, and I also typically hate unexpected change (like my parents telling me I might need to start getting the train again all of a sudden to travel which has given me a lot of anxiety) Sorry if I misinterpreted what you were saying. But I'm certainly not ordered at home and I feel terribly unproductive, my room has been an absolute mess with my study notes everywhere for the last 2 years!!

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  • What's important is that you find life interesting. I don't think autistic Individuals find it more or less so than non-autistics, we just don't speak with their codes and can't always shut our brain down when it's excitedly making incredible connexions. And THEN we tend to feel intensely about these new findings. Sensory impact.

    The problem with life is one needs to make money and survive - hopefully thrive. Part of thriving is having passions. Some may be like a lovely meal - something to ingest and move on from. Others may become part of our daily routine. :)

  • Very helpful yes, I can certainly relate to explaining in "too much" detail. Such as when my teacher wanted me to give an example of extra reading I had done which would strengthen my application to study Natural Sciences at university. I started explaining how I was watching a Volcanology lecture and I went into depth about a mathematical model that was being used to predict the decrease in the temperature of water at certain distances from hydrothermal vents on the ocean floor, taking into account all sorts of different variables. The teacher had to stop me from explaining it all because I was supposed to just give an example of something I had read about rather than actually explaining it in detail and why I found it interesting! Unfortunately I have since lost the lecture I was watching (it was part of a greater series on volcanology) which is frustrating because it was really well done, even if some of the actual calculus involved was a bit over my head with lots of Greek symbols I haven't learnt yet. Its also a bit frustrating when I try to work out which interests are temporary versus longer term, I haven't found a reliable way to distinguish between them. Some of my interests such as in professional cycling have been around for years and years, and have branched off into more specialised interests, but others have hardly lasted a few months.  

  • We tend to be observers (in my observation). We can pick up sensory surroundings with much less filtering (if any) than our non-autistic peers. This means, we might not quite miss social cues which might hide intention, because we might be able to perceive the conflict of someone saying one thing and doing another and not understand the point of the "theatrics" of it all.

    It can feel like all of life is a laboratory. And if you're deposited into a lab, with everything you need yet no exact precision and training with how to go about it, you might find yourself confused.

    Everything in nature works like clockwork: The gravitational pull of the sun, the Orbit of Earth, the system creating air pressure (even if it isn't constant), the song of birds, the reproduction of species, the seasons and so on. Everything is obedient to what we've termed "the Laws of Nature" and so it is we know how to build aeroplanes.

    Now, humans on the other hand with their capacity to understand and reason, don't always pay attention to  the Laws of Nature. And so it is we can be unpredictable and unreliable. These are the "Systems" in motion. I would simply suggest Autistics are better in-tune with our surroundings and function better when structure is predictable. Being more observant, we might have to spend time in a book (for instance) to learn ways to incorporate certain daily tasks or measures of reliability into our lives if we have not been given this by our parents. 

    But yes, without learned practical ways of being, too much chaos is not productive. However, any skill or discipline or trade or honed talent is far more effective within boundaries/rules which then promote creative use. Does this help? I'm sometimes too much with explanations :) 

  • Exactly, Given a nice well set up workshop I can do great things, but as it stands I have ALL the components for an epic electronics workshop, but 2 years later it's a half built mess...