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Greenham Common Women.

I Sperg

I've heard a lot of talk this last few years, about the evils of our overlords, but very, very, little in the way of "principles of resistance".

In that vein, I would like to publically salute the Women of Greenham common who endured extreme viscitudes for literally years on end to get a class of foreign theatre nuclear weapons removed from the soil of my country. If any of you have mothers who were a part of that movement, give them a little bit of respect for what they eventually accomplished.

  • in reply to aidie

    Thank you. I think they drew attention to the issue. The TV coverage used to compare the size of each side's bombs, like kids on a playground comparing the size of their members.

    Sunday afternoons were pretty comic, I used to get missiles thrown at me over rows about it all - carrots and similar looking objects. I just didn't want to be incinerated in a minute, or worse, survive such a thing. And why should the rest of the anet have to be destroyed over this lunacy too?

    There are still way too many nukes about too

  • I used to visit Greenham Common and Upper Heyford to take part in demonstrations. 

  • in reply to aidie
    aidie said:
    Biological Warfare

    That's the term I was thinking of not Chemical. Just couldn't find it in my brain. Thanks aidie

  • in reply to The Riddler

    New Nuclear missiles  are being build all the time. 

    Deadly Human viruses are being/have been developed as is the vaccines against them but that is top secret. no one will ever admit to that. 

    In 2008, according to U.S. Congressional Research Service,,,

    China,Cuba,Egypt,Iran,Israel,North Korea,Russia,Syria,Taiwan are considered, with varying degrees of certainty, to have some Biological Warfare capability. 

    By 2011, 165 countries had officially joined the BWC( Biological Weapons Convention) and pledged to disavow biological weapons.

    on side note

    I was trained and practised front line biological warfare and first aid

    My first aid kit was plastic bags and sellotape/string. 

    with orders to isolate/abandon biological victims in marked & locked rooms/vehicles until we could "process" them.

     

  • in reply to The Riddler

    It's also not really worth invading somewhere when a simple brown envelope full of cash will get their sleazy politicians eating out of your hand.

  • Nuc’s have run themselves out of date. It’s all about cyber war fare and “chemical” attacks. It’s far cheaper to shut down a country from a laptop than mobilising a fully armed force. 

    I mean, can you imagine what would happen if a country released a mildly deadly virus across the world just to test what the effects would be if a really deadly one was released! 

  • in reply to aidie

    The government didn't give one crap about a bunch of rabble bothering an airbase - they were just a continuos training exercise for the base security.

  • in reply to I Sperg

    No - they were Tomahawk cruise missiles - usually carried by B52 and B1 - but once the submarine-launched version came on line, it was more stealthy to sneak up to your target with a sub and then launch with a much shorter chance for the enemy to be able to prepare.

    It also coincided with the B1 being cancelled - and then production restarted as the B1b - a neutered version of the original B1 not really fit for deep penetration missions - more useful of conventional bombs.

  • in reply to The Riddler

    tell ur mother-in-law they did make a change they kept pressure on the governments. Please thank her for her courageous stand.

  • in reply to The Riddler

    She may feel she changed nothing (and may well be right, although I am not 100% sure) but at least she got off her behind and took action to TRY.

    As far as I remember she was protesting about American tactical cruise missiles being posted on our soil making us a priority target or initiator of nuclear conflict and those particular missiles were not moved to Scotland as far as I can determine, they were in fact sent back to the country they came from or moved on to a more compliant country. So if she had a different mindset she could claim a small victory in the long war to make our leaders stop setting us up for death & destruction on a large scale.

    Scotland is where they service trident carrying submarines and rotate the strategic nuclear missiles amongst those submarines. A different evil, and you'll notice that the Scots didn't field as much resistance to that event as your mum-in-law did...

    In my life I've seen the British people "protest" about many things, but so far they've only really pushed back against three. C.B. radio denial, Cruise missiles at Greenham common & speed cameras. They were successful in all three endeavours.

    Before the bikers started setting fire to the things and lorry drivers bending them, our leaders were getting ready to roll our double sided, concealed, speed cameras everywhere, and that forced a re-think when they realised that every time the people torched one, (repeatedly in the case of some round here) it cost many tens of thousands of pounds to replace it, and only a pint of petrol plus a worn out tyre to destroy it again. Assymettric warfare, the same way the taliban and other outmatched people bleed what they see as forces of oppression over time until they give up.  

    Fighting oppression is not about killing people, it's about having a steely determination to prevail. Those Greenham common women had that in spades, and I hope your mum in law still has some of it left.

  • in reply to I Sperg

    they defo made a change, the kept major pressure on the governments  and like u say they did something 

  • totally had to google this, never heard of them before lol

  • in reply to I Sperg

    No they didn't - the world changed - that class of weapon just moved to where the threat was.

    The thing you need to look at is who was funding the protestors - and why - and then it gets murky.

    It's similar to a lot of 'charities' and 'journalists' that are really political activists being paid to create resistance groups to destabilise foreign powers.

  • in reply to Plastic

    I know that in the bigger picture they changed very little. But they DID get that particular class of weapons off our soil. And they did work bloody hard to do it. 

    I'm genuinely respectful and a little grateful for the effort they expended and the result that they got.. Just wish more of the country had been behind them.

    Useful idiots or not they were prepared to take action, and stick with it.

  • My mother-in-law was a CND member and spent some time at Greenham common. She openly admits to changing absolutely nothing. The country still has nuclear weapons, while dictating to the Middle East and their own nuclear arsenals and weapons of mass destruction!

    If by "removed from the soil of my country" you mean removed from England to set up nuclear submarine base in Scotland, fair enough.

    I've never written Nuclear so many times. I bet there is an alarm going off and a big red light flashing at Mi6 right now!!!Joy

  • They were useful idiots who changed nothing - the world moved on - weapons systems come and go and are relocated depending on perceived threat.

    Either that or you're trolling  Smiley