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Yup but the moment I say I'm a jew and that my people have been oppressed I'm allowed to speak, lol it's so funny watching people change when ever I have that kind of argument 

O said:

if I don't agree I'm somehow a bigot, racist etc etc

That's all to shut you up - and the laws around that are to shut you up   or else.

Control the narrative, you control the people.

I don't really see the point in that statement, do you mean that all of these things were fought for by left leaning people or just people who saw things in the world that were wrong and though they should try and do something about it?

I don't like any politicians right now, by nature and temperament I would be considered more on the left. I just don't like it when people try and force their opinions onto me and if I don't agree I'm somehow a bigot, racist etc etc

yep

You do know the whole suffrage thing was so only the well-off upper class women would be allowed to vote - they didn't want poor riff-raff to be voting - but you are obviously missing the vast majority of the story - you just have the feel-good highlights - but not the truth.

I don't know who that is but yes of course they will never reach those kind of aspirations, at least not in that way. You cannot force ideology onto people every single time that happened in history the society fell apart and millions of people died and that goes for left and right leaning people.

If women hadn't protested and done terrible things they simply would not have had the vote. If people hadn't gone on strikes they never would have had paid holidays or weekends and children would still be getting killed under looms in cotton mills.

The whole world is ridiculously polarised. I'm watching Prime Minister's question time at the moment. Neither side ever answers the other. I do hope this sit doesn't end up like this. No one actually listens to the other side, please let's not do this here too.

The world has decent living standards because they were fought for. The powers that be will always be happy to get away with inequality. Fifty years ago a diagnosis of Autism would mean that many of us would be in institutions being abused and fed on chemical straightjackets. 

Stability is nice, but stable abuse is not wanted by anyone, Stability is also very closely related to stagnation. Change is annoying but change to make a better more equal world would be very nice.

Let's not divide over politics.

They demand standards of woke that they cannot ever reach themselves - and then they eat themselves - like Chrissy Teigen is now finding out.

At the same time it's good to let those people do that because then you know who they are and they will expose them selves in front of the world for everyone to see just how "accepting" they really are 

Have you read the Anarchist's Handbook?      Basically, when you run out of logic, you attack the messenger to discredit them - and that in turn, discredits anything they might be saying.      That's the whole tactic of 'cancel culture' and 'wokeism'.    It's all about screaming and shouting the loudest and stopping anyone with opposing views from speaking.   Only one message allowed.

Couldn't have said it better, people don't seem to see that this left vs right thing going on at the moment will only lead to bad place, discussion and debate is what's needed not just trying to one up everyone all the time with your self imposed moral superiority which you probably don't have have when life gets real

Depending of how you rate communism or fascism, millions of people have paid the price for 'progressives' who want to change the system.

All are eventually defeated and stability is returned - the only thing that changes is the body count.

Yeah that doesn't make sense there are lefty people who have done just as many reprehensible things as righty people...

Exactly - and the pointing at individual high-profile people with questionable financial and moral positions doesn't mean anything.

Yeah that's a bit of sweeping statement, so do conservative people not have struggles in their life?

Puff Pastry Hangman said:

Most conservative leaning people are happy with their lives because most conservative leaning people have never actually had to struggle, never actually had to operate within the system.

Wow that's a cheap lie.     The classic 'Student Grant' unhappy whiner..

Most conservative leaning people are happy with their lives because most conservative leaning people have never actually had to struggle, never actually had to operate within the system.

Most left leaning people are victims of that system, or at the very least acknowledge that system is broken and seek to change it. You call it immaturity. I'm sure they called things like the civil rights movement, the suffragette movement, the fight for gay rights, all of these things-I'm sure they called them the equivelent of 'woke' and what have you, back then. 

So let me ask you, here and now, is there anything wrong with being gay? The answer is no. The reason we live in a society where you and I are free to say that without at the very least being condemned is because people FOUGHT for that, in spite of all the Andrew Neils and Rupert Murdochs of the day and their attempts to demonise that fight. 

You say the left are immature, I say they're the reason we have these things, these rights. Because the right, as you say, would have kept things the way the were, what with their enhanced ability to know what's right for society. I really hope you don't believe that. That's the sort of pandering to the upper classes mentality that has this country in such a mess. They don't know ***-the Covid crisis should show you that. And if they're not clueless, they're something much worse. 

As for valueless, amoral, culurelessness, is Prince Andrew left wing? Trump? Epstein? Let's look at Neil, his working for the BBC. Didn't they cover up Saville, and a whole host other crap that had been going on for decades? Where were his morals then? Or did he just not know? 

I'd bet if we chatted down the pub, I'm guessing a vast majority of your values are pretty 'conservative'.

How you vote has nothing to do with your deep-down values.

They're probably talking about the extreme lefty types who are pushing weird egalitarian, marxist, gender bender ideology onto everyone by force not the liberal lefty types.

I believe in free speech but I find it ironic that a network that is unlikely to give airtime to views they don't like is painting itself as free speeches champion.

case in point. footballers choosing to kneel before a game, they're exercising free speech. those who choose to boo them also exercising free speech. People on the right too often use free speech as if it was a protection against their views being criticised. People on the left too often treat opinions they disagree with as personal attacks.

A prerequisite for intelligent constructive debate is each side accepting the other will say things they find objectionable and they need to address the other sides points rather than complaining that they shouldn't be allowed to make them.