GB News (New British News Network)

They probably would have called the civil rights movement 'woke' if the term existed back then. The same for the sufragettes, and those who fought for an end to the persecution of gay people. I dare say the recognition that those of us with mental health and mental illness issues now have is partly the result if progressive/woke people who worked to change the things about society they didn't like, the rules they didn't agree with.

It wasn't woke people who made the rules. It was the like of Murdoch, the likes of Andrew Neil and others in the media who helped dictate how people were treated, who helped decide the language with which people were referred to. And now there's a dawning culture or respect and recognition for people's differences the likes of Neil want to treat it as a bad thing. 

What have the right wingers like Neil done for society? What have angry, reactionary, right wingers done for the world?

I'm not 'woke' but I know which side is more likely to take us forward as a society and which side is more likely to take us backwards. And it certainly isn't the old red faced potatriot going on about how 'You can't say anything anymore!'. 

Oh, and while he's playing it off as being about countering the 'mainstream' 'left' media now, HE WAS PART OF IT UNTIL JUST A YEAR OR SO AGO. If it was so bad, so left-wing, so terribly PC why did he stick around so long? Why did he work for the BBC, of all organisations?

Because he's a fraud looking to take your money by selling you ads in between bits about what immigrants are getting that you're not and a segment from Katie Hopkins about how masks are useless and as long as you walk round with your head stuck up your own **** you needn't worry about catching Covid!

We need to be better than this. Men like Neil seek to profit from the divides in our society, not heal them. GB News will not bring the country together, it will drive us further apart. The ONLY THING keeping the 'Elites' in power is US. 

The sooner we stop letting these rats turn us against each other, arguing about who the biggest shits are, the sooner we can stop them flushing us all down the bog.

That 100,000 death toll is made up of all kinds. Black, white, rich, poor, right, left. The one thing they all have in common is a government and a system that doesn't give a *** about them.

I think you're sort-of missing a lot of the detail.

Left and right are irrelevant - what you find is most 'conservative' leaning people are generally happy with their lives - they understand how things work and what is best for long-term survival of the species, ,culture, history etc.

Most left-leaning people tend to be young and inexperienced but very vocal - as they have been through time - it takes knowledge and education to understand your place in the world and to understand the interaction of al the things that make up society.

The immature left doesn't understand that - they have their heads filled with all sorts of rubbish but they know nothing.    They think they know best - like petulant children.    It's also shown that those who want to destroy everything are actually harbouring some severe mental problems that need sorting long before they should be allowed to tell anyone else what to do.

The whole 'woke' thing is about seeing just how far you can push a valueless, amoral, culture-less narrative where anything goes - so there is no right or wrong - to totally confuse children making them malleable 'foot soldiers' on The Long March.

I think you're sort-of missing a lot of the detail.

Left and right are irrelevant - what you find is most 'conservative' leaning people are generally happy with their lives - they understand how things work and what is best for long-term survival of the species, ,culture, history etc.

Most left-leaning people tend to be young and inexperienced but very vocal - as they have been through time - it takes knowledge and education to understand your place in the world and to understand the interaction of al the things that make up society.

The immature left doesn't understand that - they have their heads filled with all sorts of rubbish but they know nothing.    They think they know best - like petulant children.    It's also shown that those who want to destroy everything are actually harbouring some severe mental problems that need sorting long before they should be allowed to tell anyone else what to do.

The whole 'woke' thing is about seeing just how far you can push a valueless, amoral, culture-less narrative where anything goes - so there is no right or wrong - to totally confuse children making them malleable 'foot soldiers' on The Long March.

lmao

Nope. I am referring to the ERG, the tory party within the tory party, who are basically pulling all the strings. You know, Rees Smaug, who didn't want to pay taxes to the EU, who is immune, Ali g with all his other cohorts, to the mess Brexit is making to the small entrepreneur on the ground, the little employee who has lost their job because their local factory was forced to close. Be careful what you wish for. Sunderland may well be saying that for example 

Nexus11 said:

small cartel of super rich

I'm guessing you are referring to The unelected European Commission (which makes all the decisions). It's such a relief to think that we no longer will be forced to accept laws made by a European Commission which we did (and could not) not elect or remove from office. 

Oooh, etiquette. What a good idea! 

Funnily enough I am not sure I remember you sticking to all of tbis

Sorry, I just wanted to remind you of a basic etiquette tip in a debate. It's usual to present your views, beliefs and opinions as just that:

my argument is...
my view is... it's my view that/in my view
my belief is...
my opinion is..../in my opinion

It's not done to present your views/opinions as facts even if you can find others who share them. 

Nexus11 said:

Brexit, which is doing very little to benefit anyone (ask small businesses, ask the fishermen)

Brexit, which in my opinion/in my view is bringing very little benefit to anyone... (ask the... provide a link to someone's experience, or some analysis).

But remember, there are facts and statistics that can be used to support any claim. Everything in the universe is in constant flux and we can't know anything with any certainty. Not even whether Brexit will be good or bad for the future of the UK. 

Are you a fact denier Mykal? 

In your opinion.

O said:

I don't really see the point in that statement, do you mean that all of these things were fought for by left leaning people or just people who saw things in the world that were wrong and though they should try and do something about it?

Yes, do you have a different version of history ? 

We will be governed by AI in the next 50 years or so, or holograms or something ridiculous. Things probably aren't going to improve.

People don't know what to believe these days...social media fake news etc, nothing can be trusted. Although,  I always say question everything but there does need to be a degree of common sense applied. Also the internet has given rise to people thinking everyone needs to hear their opinion through social media.

Puff Pastry Hangman said:

The problem is we keep electing psychopaths who hold us ALL down but succeed in convincing the protestors that the ones carrying pitchforks are to blame for the problems of the ones carrying torches. Divide and rule. And it's pathetic how easily we allow them to do it. 

Agreed.

Thankyou for your wonderfully flowing eloquent post. My viewpoints exactly. I'm settling nicely into Telford, but Scotland is more and more inviting, despite the weather.

Then again they might be just anti Brexit, which is doing very little to benefit anyone (ask small businesses, ask the fishermen) other than s small cartel of super rich. They might be there to question the continuing vilification of so-called benefit cheats in the face of s government that is so full of corruption you can't see the apple for the worms. They might be asking for more better education, health care, taxing Amazon and other exploitative monsters. They might be looking to help bring on a less dysfunctional society. 

Actually questioning things rather than farming to toffs like Rees Smugg. 

Whatever the 'real reasons' for social developments brought about by the left (I used to be an Alex Jones/David Icke conspiracy theorist too!) the FACT (not the right wing theory provided by discredited men with books and diet pills to sell-to quote David Icke on Wogan 'if you believe that I've got some sea-front property in Birmingham I'd like to sell you') is that we have things like racial equality, sexual equality, gender equality, mental health equality, the NHS, because of the left. And where they fought for these things, people fought against them. Racial equality, for example, was stood against by the KKK.

You can make the mistake of assuming I'm a commie (funny how often that happens when speaking to people on the centre/right these days) and bring up the failed communist societies and I have to admit, you have me beaten. It's obviously a complete failure, and leads to mass exploitation by a minority of people. 

Not like our capitalist societies, where the world's wealth isn't horded by about a dozen families. Not like our capitalist societies where we take care of our people and don't let them die, don't allow a 100,000 plus death toll to happen. Capitalism is great!

I'm not a communist, but since you mention such societies I felt it important to highlight the complete hypocrisy of highlighting their failures as if capitalism isn't responsible for the exact same thing. 

To quote Alan Moore (V For Vendetta author) the problem is leaders. Capitalist, communist, it doesn't matter. The problem is we keep electing psychopaths who hold us ALL down but succeed in convincing the protestors that the ones carrying pitchforks are to blame for the problems of the ones carrying torches. Divide and rule. And it's pathetic how easily we allow them to do it. 

The sad thing is it's the people who believe the conspiracy theories who believe the bs most fervently, who fall for the lies of the Trumps and the Johnsons and who have been conditioned to fear what they don't understand. 

As for the crap about transgender people, that always seems to come up, too. Personally, I'm not transgender, I don'y believe you can change sex. Gender is different. I don't fully understand the science of it because it just doesn't interest me, but people who have actual degrees and credentials have, and they are who I choose to believe, ahead of red-faced potatriots who fear what they don't understand. 

I'm left, I don't understand it either. But what I don't want is to contribute to a world in which they're treated like freaks for who they are, or have to listen to language that causes them offense and distress. It doesn't take much for me to keep my trap shut about my personal beliefs on the matter as a COURTESY. Beyond that, I really don't care. 

I choose to get worked up about the failures of our government, the death toll, the corruption unfolding in front of our faces while the conspiracy theorists go on about masks and vaccines. 37 BILLION wasted on Track and Trace, run by Dido Harding for Serco, there's a conspiracy for you. If you find something dodgy going on, make sure you report it to the Tories top guy for reporting these things to. That'll be her husband. 

But by all means lose your *** over the left/right thing, the masks and unmasked thing, all the distractions. I'll continue trying in vain to actually wake people up to the *** that is going on rather than allow myself to be manipulated.

As I said, I used to be a conspiracy theorist. I've been called a bigot by far left idiots, too. There are extremists on both sides, but it takes those who are capable of meeting in the middle to end wars, and it's sad to see how many people have forgotten that, to see how the battle lines have been drawn, so. 

I personally hold out hope Scotland gets independence and I can move there. Whatever made me proud to be British doesn't exist here anymore. We're pathetic, we should change the three lions to three donkeys at this point

Plus the Incarceration of Christians by Communist Regimes.

Puff Pastry Hangman said:

Most left leaning people are victims of that system, or at the very least acknowledge that system is broken and seek to change it.

And there, Puff, you have clearly articulated the very essence of all left-wing ideology: victimhood.

It's my experience that people on the Left  see themselves and everyone else as victims.  They totally reject the idea of human beings having personal agency (unless it's someone who they disagree with). 

On closer analysis, it turns out that this mentality of victimhood is not borne out by historical fact cf. The whole of human history: The Soviet Deportation of Hundreds of Thousands of Hungarians to their Deaths. Communist Mass Murder in Yugoslavia, The Jacobin Terror in France,The Slaughter of Tens of Millions by Lenin, Trotsky.  The Tens of Millions of State Murders in Mao's China, The Millions of Forced abortions and policies of infanticide under Communist totalitarian Regimes and their one-child policies. The Mass Murder and Starvation of North Koreans in Communist Concentration Camps...

no idea but I'm sure it will be hilariously stupid 

yeah - the whole BLM-scam is now imploding.   I wonder what's next.

Yep and that's why this wave of extreme left ideology will ultimately fail because it changes hourly based on who cries the loudest in the moment 

But that's the whole intersectionality game - infinite oppressed groups - all fighting amongst themselves for the 'most oppressed' prize.

Exactly when it comes down to it everyone is oppressed on some level so where does the line get drawn and who gets to draw that line 

Yes - there's oppression points available to shut down any conversations