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There are no heroes on either side of the political divide. There are, however, scores of villains.

Here are the historical facts: 

1. The *** were ardent socialists (hence the term "National socialism").
2. They believed in free health care and guaranteed jobs.
3. They confiscated inherited wealth and spent vast sums on public education.
4. They purged the church from public policy, promoted a new form of pagan spirituality.
5. They *** declared war on smoking, supported abortion, euthanasia, and gun control.
6. They loathed the free market, provided generous pensions for the elderly.
7. They maintained a strict racial quota system in their universities--where campus speech codes were all the rage.
8. They led the world in organic farming and alternative medicine. 
9. Hitler was a strict vegetarian.
10. Himmler was an animal rights activist.

Fascism was an international movement that appeared in different forms in different countries, depending on the vagaries of national culture and temperament.  Woke supremacy is as malign as white supremacy because they share the same nefarious intellectual roots. It is hard to deny the similarities between modern progressivism and classical fascism. In the early 20th century, fascism appeared as genocidal racism within the socialist movements of Europe.  In the late 20th century and early 21st century it has taken on a "friendlier" form.  If we can't learn from the past, we are doomed to keep repeating the same horrors and injustices in the future.

Lefty, shlefty, who cares. With the ***, who wanted to create the perfect society and a perfected humanity, it is by their fruits that you know them.

Opponents to the Nazi regime soon started 'disappearing.' That's not lefty, nor rightly, that's totalitarianism. Wilhem Reich always said it didn't matter whether a movement was left or right, you had to watch how it treated its dissidents. And whether or not it needs scapegoats. 

Humans deemed a drain on society were soon being quietly taken away and euthanized for the good of this perfect society, children too. Including those with autism.........

Those who traditionally voted Labour but swung to the Tories should have focused on changing Labour instead of selling the UK down the river. To yet more inequality, poverty, the scapegoating of the poor. And currently bankruptcy of farmers and fishermen and any other kind of small business that needed to be able to trade with Europe. The right to trade, work and live in 27 other countries That too is a well-known tactic of those who don't generally have the best interests of its people at heart - appealing to nationalism, which some define as a form of narcissism. I am poor, I am uneducated, I will never climb out of the inner-city hole/decaying seaside town I was born in, but hey..... I am British (bang chest). Now where are those furriners I can go and blame for all those woes. Let's twist everything round and listen to those spewing out hate and disinformation from the trolls farms to help appease my sense of aggrievement and make out it is the very people who wanted more equality who are to blame. 

Nexus11 said:

I am poor, I am uneducated, I will never climb out of the inner-city hole/decaying seaside town I was born in, but hey..... I am British (bang chest).

Of course, it's the people who are wrong. They're just too stupid, too uneducated and too racist to vote for us.

I used to think political parties were supposed to represent the will of the people who support it, but obviously not in the case of the Labour party. It's the other way round, it's the people's job to represent and support the will of the Party. But they're just too dumb and attached to their working-class seaside towns to know what's good for them, right?

I would never want to be a member of a political party whose members held those kind of views. 

So the trickle down effect is an unimpeachable article of faith up there with the Ten commandments is it?

Only trouble is, I don't see much of this trickling down, actually trickling down. Do you? Truly? 

That maybe the case or not, but there is no getting away from the fact that you are knowingly stirring=up things here for self-attention. You have absolutely no interest or care about  the topics you discuss. You know this yourself. 

No. It hasn't. Never had any argument about that. 

I have no argument with any of this!

The wonder of this is that some people apparently do. 

Unless you learn to face your own shadows, Turtle, you will continue to see them in others, because the world outside you is only a reflection of the world inside you.

Unknown said:

That would be Edward Health, the Conservative Prime Minister? Whose Government took us into the EU despite ferocious opposition from the then Labour Party?

That's correct. It's quite ironic that those who took us in, were those who took us out .... but for none of the reasons why they took us in. They were different times. Politics can change in one minute  though it takes their supporters a lifetime or more. 

If you were generally interested in the subject, instead of trying to score points, that would be much better. It would be much better for the forum and everyone else involved.  Looking up Wikipedia or the internet does not make you an intellectual or specialist on any subject.

It doesn't matter how many times you say Hitler and fascism was connected to Socialism and you wish to pursue that line, it still does not make it true. Hitler murdered Socialists & Communists along with anyone else who would oppose him. This is not controversial. These are facts.   

The 1970's was a very different world than which we live today. Two, so called, superpowers were dominating the world stage - The Soviet Union and the US and their allies. 

Before WWII it was everyman for themselves in the global chess game, i.e empires,  Royalty.  dictatorships etc and other countries ruled by religious dogma and other imaginations of the ego.   

There were many things that changed the world in that era but not many of them were right-wing things if you are talking about human progress. 

In all, you , if you had a conscience (everyone ) would never vote conserc=vative  ever again.

The rest is not great either, but that is reality.

If you're going to use other countries as a comparison, you need to first make sure your facts are accurate, Turtle.

Germans (only legal residents) are entitled to free “medically necessary” public healthcare, which is funded by social security contributions. However, citizens must still have either state or private health insurance, covering at least hospital and outpatient medical treatment and pregnancy.

moving-to-germany/healthcare

There are some points, young I Sperg that I have to agree with.

Britain, under the guidance of 'That Woman' stopped making stuff to sell and started buying and selling old houses. I have never understood how that's an exchangeable product, OK yes a house upgraded is worth more than a clapped out one, but this is fashion, ripping out the green bath and putting an uncomfortable square one in it's place. Taking out the sad looking beige carpet and putting sadder grey carpet down. Real riches for those that have the cash to buy houses at auction. 

The Tories are still selling off the jewels, Cadbury's Boots Morrisons Asda, all getting flogged off to outside owners who can't be bothered to pay their taxes or give their staff a decent contract.

Thatcher did a lot to destroy this country and Blair too. 

I do think you're right that the planet is being divided, in readiness of conquering I have no doubt, by is it Russia, China or Azerbaijan? The Arab spring fired by FB, Trump was divisive, so was Brexit and Boris and a Scottish independence referendum, all ways to divide the people and divert their attention. 

What from? Who is rubbing their hands together giggling like an undertaker at a train crash?

Blair was new Labour rebranded to get the billionaires to back him and the tabloids did. New Labour was Thatcherism Lite. He destroyed the working class's faith in the party, and it's not recovered. 

That would be Edward Health, the Conservative Prime Minister? Whose Government took us into the EU despite ferocious opposition from the then Labour Party?

Turtle, just so you have a better historical perspective on the politics of European Union: here is Margaret Thatcher leading the Yes campaign for the Conservatives in 1975. Whilst at the same time, the old-time socialists were opposed to the union right up until the New Labour era. 

Turtle, the trouble with viewing everything through such a narrow partisan lens of hatred for the other side, is that you stupidly find yourself defending positions and taking stances on issues NOT because of any real conviction, but simply because it is the opposite to what the other side.

Not only is it immature, but it's tiresome, lazy and in many cases a cancerous blight on a healthy democracy and makes you an easy target for manipulation and control.

"I'll tell you once, I won't tell you twice.You'd better wise up Janet Weiss.
Your apple pie don't taste too nice. You'd better wise up, Janet Wise."

- Frank-N-Furter, The Rocky Horror Show, 1973)

The reasons why conservatives were against universal education prior to the Butler Act was because they didn't want the average Joe exercising or developing their brain, thus knowing how the system, at the time, worked. In other words, they didn't want the plebs to know they were plebs.

Caelus said:

to be fair i can see why anyone would be against the public education system.... its useless... it doesnt teach, it cant even control the classes as the students are always rioting. there is no learning in our current public education system, no discipline. no control. and the teachers are very biased and cowardly and reward the popular trash students that cause all the trouble by giving them ramped up grades they didnt even earn when they can barely even read or write to primary school levels.

And that is how they'd like to keep it........ unless of course you are paying for private education, where profits can be made and you create an elitist, upper-class establishment who go to ' the best schools ' and go on to fill all the most important or lucrative positions in society.  It is based largely on selfishness & childishness. 

Plastic said:

Depends if you like gang rape, crime and hand grenades going off.

Every country has crime though I don't see what it has to do with what we are discussing. I know that crime usually increases under every conservative gov. That is because of their outdated Thatcherite ideology and her favourite ( and every other outdated right-wing gov's ) economist, Hayek, whom proposed brutal austerity during recessions instead of austerity during boom times ( Keynes ). That ideology is what drives wages and standards of living down, poverty, mental health crisis & crime up whilst lowering taxes for the rich, cutting funding for public services and increasing profits for the richest. 

Plastic said:

You have no idea of cause and effect and how the finances work.

I know more than enough that doesn't involve simple-minded, 3-word slogans from millionaire and billionaire funded right-wing media. 

to be fair i can see why anyone would be against the public education system.... its useless... it doesnt teach, it cant even control the classes as the students are always rioting. there is no learning in our current public education system, no discipline. no control. and the teachers are very biased and cowardly and reward the popular trash students that cause all the trouble by giving them ramped up grades they didnt even earn when they can barely even read or write to primary school levels.

How often are there grenades going off there? All the time? Really?

Gang rape and crime are prevalent enough in the UK as far as I know. Especially knifings. 

Turtle said:

Public buildings were failing down after 20 years of conservatives.

You have no idea of cause and effect and how the finances work.

Turtle said:

They still have higher standard of living than us no matter how you wish to twist it to suit your view

Depends if you like gang rape, crime and hand grenades going off.

Blair wasn't a Tory but he wouldn't have looked out of place in Edward Heath's administration. It was Major who started the PFI's and Blair continued them. Blair was no lefty. 

Public buildings were failing down after 20 years of conservatives. I saw it with my own eyes. It wasn't until Labour got in, everything had to be modernised like other 1st world countries. From WWII the Tories have been in power the majority of time. What did they do in all that time ? They were against universal education & healthcare from the start. They are against everything apart from feathering their own nests. 

but yet wasnt that because before labour left, tony blair made sure to privatise half of the NHS? ... of which ofcourse that caused all of its problems down the line, not in his rule.... so ofcourse its gonna look like all the problems were based on tories 20 years in power, because tony blair privatised half of it before he left which then caused its downfall and neglect and mismanagement..... even hard core lefties acknowledge this fact, but yet brush it off by claiming tony blair was somehow a tory himself because they dont want to take responsibility for it lol

They still have higher standard of living than us no matter how you wish to twist it to suit your view. Furthermore, Germany does too and all their education is free.

Plastic said:

The left try to blame the government for the NHS but it was them that saddled each trust with Billions of debt which could never be repaid.

Not so sure about that but after 20 years of the Tories, Hospitals were literally falling down and Labour had to repair & rebuild Hospitals, schools, and many other public buildings and it will be the same story when the Tories leave office again. 

I learned a hard lesson in the 1980's.

If you don't produce anything, you cannot have anything unless you steal or sell off the family silver.

I watched the U.K. in the 1980's import a vast horde of "new people", who in turn swiftly established their own economy and laws to govern themselves, rather than "integrating" as we were led to expect. I have made friends in that society, which is how I know, and have observed that process up close, whereas most of the people who scream "RAYCIIIS" at me are kept as far from the knowledge as possible. (They are after all the screaming type and might object, so they are kept busy screaming elsewhere)

The one good thing about being "marginalised from birth" is that one becomes adept at simply observing and keeping ones mouth shut for most of the time.

IN the later eighties and early nineties we did indeed sell off the family silver, being raw materials and then the means of production, but we kept out currency artifiicially high. This eventually meant that pretty much anyone could come here and in a few short years of hard work earn enough to go home and buy themselves a decent "stake" in their lives, whilst significantly undercutting the natives (us!) 

This has had a knock on effect where for U.K. born people the competition, which IS fuelled by grants, and a slanted "benefits system" which favours those who it perceives to be "disadvantaged" over those who need to have their forms lost at every turn or their claims denied..

For the indigenous people portrayed as dumb racists at every turn in the media, who's systems which their forefathers paid for in blood suddenly started working in the favour of the visitors rather than themselves, double-think and cognitive dissonance was to become the new normal. 

It took me a long time to realise that there is a reason things panned out this way, the very breadth & sophistication of the attack on U.K. sovereignty, (a test run for what is underway in the U.S. right now) and remorseless unity of purpose became apparent to me a long time ago. 

To even speak of my observations is of course now considered hate speech. I don't know why, when I say "I saw the rain come down" or "step away from that ledge or you will fall" those observations are O.K. but when I observe what has clearly been done to the social and political life of the U.K. during a half century of passive observation, that's held to be wrong! 

SO WRONG IN FACT, that a couple of years ago, both my partner and my child deemed my political conversation to be "unacceptable", to the extent that it would threaten the security of my relationships if I persisted in using my speech for expressing my thoughts and opinions.

Now THAT made me sit up and take notice I can tell you. 

Well to be honest, I don't value my opinions anywhere like as much as I value my home life, so it was a very easy & quick adjustment to make, but when did external matters like Brexit or Donald Trump become more important than family to the normal people? And how was that achieved? 

For those who have observed similar events and would like the answers Vince Packard wrote some excellent books on the subject. I always recommend "The Hidden Persuaders" as an excellent primer to how mass mind manipulation is achieved by single digit numbers of people all the time, and constantly. Until that stuff is brought into the light and dealt with as it should be, you will all be unknowing prey for these people.  

For the rest of you trapped in the simplistic left/right party paradigms displayed all over this thread where your energies are wasted flailing away at each other than the real problems, a few of you need to be reminded that you have no business attacking the person promulgamating the beliefs you find abhorrent, and indeed you'll just spin your wheels, as was intended by those who set up that left/right paradigm in the beginning. 

Try NOT to take all of this too seriously. There isn't much such a disorganised group such as ourselves can do, except try and face it all with good grace..

I learned a hard lesson in the 1980's.

If you don't produce anything, you cannot have anything unless you steal or sell off the family silver.

I watched the U.K. in the 1980's import a vast horde of "new people", who in turn swiftly established their own economy and laws to govern themselves, rather than "integrating" as we were led to expect. I have made friends in that society, which is how I know, and have observed that process up close, whereas most of the people who scream "RAYCIIIS" at me are kept as far from the knowledge as possible. (They are after all the screaming type and might object, so they are kept busy screaming elsewhere)

The one good thing about being "marginalised from birth" is that one becomes adept at simply observing and keeping ones mouth shut for most of the time.

IN the later eighties and early nineties we did indeed sell off the family silver, being raw materials and then the means of production, but we kept out currency artifiicially high. This eventually meant that pretty much anyone could come here and in a few short years of hard work earn enough to go home and buy themselves a decent "stake" in their lives, whilst significantly undercutting the natives (us!) 

This has had a knock on effect where for U.K. born people the competition, which IS fuelled by grants, and a slanted "benefits system" which favours those who it perceives to be "disadvantaged" over those who need to have their forms lost at every turn or their claims denied..

For the indigenous people portrayed as dumb racists at every turn in the media, who's systems which their forefathers paid for in blood suddenly started working in the favour of the visitors rather than themselves, double-think and cognitive dissonance was to become the new normal. 

It took me a long time to realise that there is a reason things panned out this way, the very breadth & sophistication of the attack on U.K. sovereignty, (a test run for what is underway in the U.S. right now) and remorseless unity of purpose became apparent to me a long time ago. 

To even speak of my observations is of course now considered hate speech. I don't know why, when I say "I saw the rain come down" or "step away from that ledge or you will fall" those observations are O.K. but when I observe what has clearly been done to the social and political life of the U.K. during a half century of passive observation, that's held to be wrong! 

SO WRONG IN FACT, that a couple of years ago, both my partner and my child deemed my political conversation to be "unacceptable", to the extent that it would threaten the security of my relationships if I persisted in using my speech for expressing my thoughts and opinions.

Now THAT made me sit up and take notice I can tell you. 

Well to be honest, I don't value my opinions anywhere like as much as I value my home life, so it was a very easy & quick adjustment to make, but when did external matters like Brexit or Donald Trump become more important than family to the normal people? And how was that achieved? 

For those who have observed similar events and would like the answers Vince Packard wrote some excellent books on the subject. I always recommend "The Hidden Persuaders" as an excellent primer to how mass mind manipulation is achieved by single digit numbers of people all the time, and constantly. Until that stuff is brought into the light and dealt with as it should be, you will all be unknowing prey for these people.  

For the rest of you trapped in the simplistic left/right party paradigms displayed all over this thread where your energies are wasted flailing away at each other than the real problems, a few of you need to be reminded that you have no business attacking the person promulgamating the beliefs you find abhorrent, and indeed you'll just spin your wheels, as was intended by those who set up that left/right paradigm in the beginning. 

Try NOT to take all of this too seriously. There isn't much such a disorganised group such as ourselves can do, except try and face it all with good grace..

I have no argument with any of this!

The wonder of this is that some people apparently do. 

There are some points, young I Sperg that I have to agree with.

Britain, under the guidance of 'That Woman' stopped making stuff to sell and started buying and selling old houses. I have never understood how that's an exchangeable product, OK yes a house upgraded is worth more than a clapped out one, but this is fashion, ripping out the green bath and putting an uncomfortable square one in it's place. Taking out the sad looking beige carpet and putting sadder grey carpet down. Real riches for those that have the cash to buy houses at auction. 

The Tories are still selling off the jewels, Cadbury's Boots Morrisons Asda, all getting flogged off to outside owners who can't be bothered to pay their taxes or give their staff a decent contract.

Thatcher did a lot to destroy this country and Blair too. 

I do think you're right that the planet is being divided, in readiness of conquering I have no doubt, by is it Russia, China or Azerbaijan? The Arab spring fired by FB, Trump was divisive, so was Brexit and Boris and a Scottish independence referendum, all ways to divide the people and divert their attention. 

What from? Who is rubbing their hands together giggling like an undertaker at a train crash?