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There are no heroes on either side of the political divide. There are, however, scores of villains.

Here are the historical facts: 

1. The *** were ardent socialists (hence the term "National socialism").
2. They believed in free health care and guaranteed jobs.
3. They confiscated inherited wealth and spent vast sums on public education.
4. They purged the church from public policy, promoted a new form of pagan spirituality.
5. They *** declared war on smoking, supported abortion, euthanasia, and gun control.
6. They loathed the free market, provided generous pensions for the elderly.
7. They maintained a strict racial quota system in their universities--where campus speech codes were all the rage.
8. They led the world in organic farming and alternative medicine. 
9. Hitler was a strict vegetarian.
10. Himmler was an animal rights activist.

Fascism was an international movement that appeared in different forms in different countries, depending on the vagaries of national culture and temperament.  Woke supremacy is as malign as white supremacy because they share the same nefarious intellectual roots. It is hard to deny the similarities between modern progressivism and classical fascism. In the early 20th century, fascism appeared as genocidal racism within the socialist movements of Europe.  In the late 20th century and early 21st century it has taken on a "friendlier" form.  If we can't learn from the past, we are doomed to keep repeating the same horrors and injustices in the future.

Lefty, shlefty, who cares. With the ***, who wanted to create the perfect society and a perfected humanity, it is by their fruits that you know them.

Opponents to the Nazi regime soon started 'disappearing.' That's not lefty, nor rightly, that's totalitarianism. Wilhem Reich always said it didn't matter whether a movement was left or right, you had to watch how it treated its dissidents. And whether or not it needs scapegoats. 

Humans deemed a drain on society were soon being quietly taken away and euthanized for the good of this perfect society, children too. Including those with autism.........

Those who traditionally voted Labour but swung to the Tories should have focused on changing Labour instead of selling the UK down the river. To yet more inequality, poverty, the scapegoating of the poor. And currently bankruptcy of farmers and fishermen and any other kind of small business that needed to be able to trade with Europe. The right to trade, work and live in 27 other countries That too is a well-known tactic of those who don't generally have the best interests of its people at heart - appealing to nationalism, which some define as a form of narcissism. I am poor, I am uneducated, I will never climb out of the inner-city hole/decaying seaside town I was born in, but hey..... I am British (bang chest). Now where are those furriners I can go and blame for all those woes. Let's twist everything round and listen to those spewing out hate and disinformation from the trolls farms to help appease my sense of aggrievement and make out it is the very people who wanted more equality who are to blame. 

Nexus11 said:

I am poor, I am uneducated, I will never climb out of the inner-city hole/decaying seaside town I was born in, but hey..... I am British (bang chest).

Of course, it's the people who are wrong. They're just too stupid, too uneducated and too racist to vote for us.

I used to think political parties were supposed to represent the will of the people who support it, but obviously not in the case of the Labour party. It's the other way round, it's the people's job to represent and support the will of the Party. But they're just too dumb and attached to their working-class seaside towns to know what's good for them, right?

I would never want to be a member of a political party whose members held those kind of views. 

Unknown said:

When someone makes statements like these, Turtle, claiming they know your motivations, know how you feel, know what you think, or know what you want, it's a very clear form of covert verbal abuse. Like suggesting to someone they have a mental health condition because you don't agree with their world view.

If you are doing it intentionally, then it's a very sinister trait indeed.  As this is now a repeated behaviour you engage in, I won't be engaging with in any further discussions on this topic or others. 

I don't know what statements you are referring to. YOU started this topic or thread for what reason ? Was it for people to argue ? Was it for attention ? I could be wrong, but from what I gather it is about journalism and the media ? If so, I haven't found anything you have posted thus far about journalism or the media in any way enlightening, beneficial, new or progressive to human beings in general ? What is your intention or point ? That's how i work. How do you operate ?

Am I missing something ?

Your judgments about another person say more about your own character than the character of the person you are pointing a finger at. 

When someone makes statements like these, Turtle, claiming they know your motivations, know how you feel, know what you think, or know what you want, it's a very clear form of covert verbal abuse. Like suggesting to someone they have a mental health condition because you don't agree with their world view.

If you are doing it intentionally, then it's a very sinister trait indeed.  As this is now a repeated behaviour you engage in, I won't be engaging with in any further discussions on this topic or others. 

Finally something I can agree with. Having spent decades in an abusive pseudo religious cult I can say that the first part of recovery is loosing the vocabulary. Trumpist words like woke and cancel culture control thought, and perhaps this side of the fence uses similar jibber jabber words, meaningless political brainwashing propaganda words...

I know we all think we're not brainwashed but I have to say that all people are to some degree or another. Words are the key to controlling people.

Turtle said:

Johnny Furriner,

You're even using the same derisive political slang as one another. Too much time in the same echo chambers?

I do not and will not have any fake accounts.  I prefer to stick to the facts. I don't need anything for that. 

Oh, so that didn't last long, did it now? You're back to your old tricks, aidie, downvoting me. Would you like me to expose your new fake account? Or do you want to try and delete it first?

I have not yet had a chance. It would require me to watch more T.V. than I do.

I'm already maxed out with information coming in.

Unknown said:

Turtle, the trouble with viewing everything through such a narrow partisan lens of hatred for the other side, is that you stupidly find yourself defending positions and taking stances on issues NOT because of any real conviction, but simply because it is the opposite to what the other side.

That could be very true,( for those not capable of thinking  for themselves or actually believing  3 word slogans which is why I always ask such persons what would they like to  see happen in the future ? What would they change ? what would they do differently ? 

It is one thing complaining and then taking sides, but it is a whole different story to ask yourself who you are ? 

I Sperg said:

Why not give it a chance before we condemn it out of hand just on the adverts?

You don't get it yet. 

Actually, I bet all the above will have to be salted with a bit of truth, just to add much needed credibility.

Why not give it a chance before we condemn it out of hand just on the adverts? Anyway, a disquieting amount of "fake news" and "conspiracy theory" turns out to be factual these days, doncha know?

4 little words: Jane. Standley. Building. Seven. That's fake news for you...

Unknown said:

If you're going to use other countries as a comparison, you need to first make sure your facts are accurate, Turtle.

Which facts are inaccurate ? I never mentioned German Health Care as far as I'm aware ? I did mention German Education though and that is free from cradle to grave for all German citizens, as it is in most Nordic countries. In the Uk you can pay up to £9,000 per year just for a degree. So £27,000 + accommodation + living expenses etc etc.  On top of that, all the above mentioned countries enjoy a higher standard of living, the benefit system is less brutal, maternity leave for both parents longer, state supported and funded up to 18 months in some countries I believe and kids don't start school to later ( something I believe you had made comments on previously regarding kids not having time to be kids ). 

I think we also work longer hours than most EU countries.

Hysterical people, those who thrive on drama and attention-seeking and self-centered people,  don't like facts or reality though do they ? That is the targeted audience of hate-filled, propaganda.  

But I can guarantee you now that not one of these topics will be discussed on your shiny, new ' News ' network led by a right-wing propagandist ( for hire ) with dyed hair. 

All you'll be fed with is, Johnny Furriner, immigration, conspiracy theories not facts, Thatcherite ignorant and arrogant  kitchen table economics of austerity and other scare-mongering of fiscal debt/who is going to pay for all this/ there is no magic money tree and of course, the right-wing always need a bogey man to rule by fear so I imagine it will be ' the big bad EU ' or until they find another candidate.  

So the trickle down effect is an unimpeachable article of faith up there with the Ten commandments is it?

Only trouble is, I don't see much of this trickling down, actually trickling down. Do you? Truly? 

That maybe the case or not, but there is no getting away from the fact that you are knowingly stirring=up things here for self-attention. You have absolutely no interest or care about  the topics you discuss. You know this yourself. 

No. It hasn't. Never had any argument about that. 

I have no argument with any of this!

The wonder of this is that some people apparently do. 

Unless you learn to face your own shadows, Turtle, you will continue to see them in others, because the world outside you is only a reflection of the world inside you.

Unless you learn to face your own shadows, Turtle, you will continue to see them in others, because the world outside you is only a reflection of the world inside you.

Unknown said:

When someone makes statements like these, Turtle, claiming they know your motivations, know how you feel, know what you think, or know what you want, it's a very clear form of covert verbal abuse. Like suggesting to someone they have a mental health condition because you don't agree with their world view.

If you are doing it intentionally, then it's a very sinister trait indeed.  As this is now a repeated behaviour you engage in, I won't be engaging with in any further discussions on this topic or others. 

I don't know what statements you are referring to. YOU started this topic or thread for what reason ? Was it for people to argue ? Was it for attention ? I could be wrong, but from what I gather it is about journalism and the media ? If so, I haven't found anything you have posted thus far about journalism or the media in any way enlightening, beneficial, new or progressive to human beings in general ? What is your intention or point ? That's how i work. How do you operate ?

Am I missing something ?

Your judgments about another person say more about your own character than the character of the person you are pointing a finger at. 

When someone makes statements like these, Turtle, claiming they know your motivations, know how you feel, know what you think, or know what you want, it's a very clear form of covert verbal abuse. Like suggesting to someone they have a mental health condition because you don't agree with their world view.

If you are doing it intentionally, then it's a very sinister trait indeed.  As this is now a repeated behaviour you engage in, I won't be engaging with in any further discussions on this topic or others. 

Finally something I can agree with. Having spent decades in an abusive pseudo religious cult I can say that the first part of recovery is loosing the vocabulary. Trumpist words like woke and cancel culture control thought, and perhaps this side of the fence uses similar jibber jabber words, meaningless political brainwashing propaganda words...

I know we all think we're not brainwashed but I have to say that all people are to some degree or another. Words are the key to controlling people.

Turtle said:

Johnny Furriner,

You're even using the same derisive political slang as one another. Too much time in the same echo chambers?

I do not and will not have any fake accounts.  I prefer to stick to the facts. I don't need anything for that. 

Oh, so that didn't last long, did it now? You're back to your old tricks, aidie, downvoting me. Would you like me to expose your new fake account? Or do you want to try and delete it first?

That maybe the case or not, but there is no getting away from the fact that you are knowingly stirring=up things here for self-attention. You have absolutely no interest or care about  the topics you discuss. You know this yourself.