Covid social disapproval psychological attack on us

Good idea. 

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So people who don't agree with your view are sheep.....right........

the "experts" that linked Autism to the measles vaccine were usually quacks of the type Donald Trump would trust. Also, the advice that those shielding should just somehow "cope" with it is ablelist at best, discriminatory at worst. My Grandfather's dad was in his mid 40's when Spanish flu lingered for three years but that occurred before the real advent of real vaccines so hopefully it won't last that long.

Unfortunately, there can be no sensible discussion on this.  People have got so used to accepting what the 'experts' say that they work themselves into a frenzy of name calling, not questioning anything that they are told, even though it is clear that even the experts have little idea what is going on.  

Covid will reduce in the Spring, which will further convince the acceptors that the experts are right.  So lots of restrictions will be relaxed at the same time.  The virus will recede over summer.  But in the Autumn it will come back again.  This could be due to a seasonal nature, on top of everything else.  Spring sees an increase of ultra violet light, which is known to be germicidal and even longer wavelengths of uv radiation may have an effect on covid,  More people will have windows open and get out, having walks, the fresh air dispersing the virus.  

An increase in Autumn when children go back to school will occur.  And when  students go back to college and university.  Even though children don't show the same effect, they can still carry it, they are forever touching each other and getting close, and however much you tell them they do not always wash their hands after visiting the lavatory or before eating..  This all goes towards helping spread the virus back to their families.  But this is ignored.  You wouldn't allow a mask to be used by someone else, but we happily allow our children go to unsafe places, mixing together and very possibly spreading the virus. And all the time, conveniently, there is another more virulent strain around the corner, ready to pounce and cause more problems.

I am not saying sensible measures shouldn't be taken.  Social distancing, hand washing, and keeping surfaces clean are always sensible ( and many autistic people have no problem whatever with keeping a distance between them and the next person.  Perhaps design of certain facilities, workplaces, and public transport will not try to pack so many in a small place in future.

I hope the vaccines available do work.  Because I am pretty sure unless they do, we will be suffering yoyo lockdown for a very long time.  And to those who get infuriated with anyone who is seeking the reasons for the spread which may not appear to be consistent with government advice, I would say ' Measles vaccine and autism'. Many 'experts' believed the measles vaccine was the cause of autism which set back research for ten years.  And was proved to have no scientific basis whatsoever and yet is still believed by many.

Still think you should change the name of this thread....because its not really about how you feel attacked for not wearing a mask is it? It never was...it's about your covid denial and how you think all the brave members of our NHS and politicians are liars....it's just an excuse for you to air a very dangerous view...nothing else.

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I agree with you completely, in my long conversations discussing the whole thing with others you have touched on a lot of points that I often make. I'm glad that there are still critical thinkers out there.

Most of this whole situation is emotionally driven by the "saving lives" narrative, and so few people can see past that. From my research I don't believe that saving lives is the true objective and I think it is more about money and power. It just saddens me that the propaganda is successfully driving people to attack their own species for not "following the rules"

And I bet their deaths would be labelled as Covid

We get very mixed messages from the 'experts'.

There are exemptions listed on the government website, plus a downloadable card to show exemption, although it clearly states that it is not essential, so logically an 'I'm exempt' verbal statement should be sufficient.  It also states that proof should not be asked for in a round about way.  So as a result, we get the jeering mob making judgements on those not wearing masks, insisting those who don't are merely 'trying it on' and everyone can wear a mask, those that don't are simply being disobedient according to them.

Most masks seem to be made from leftover material from the underwear factory, so they may not be of much use in stopping transmission of the disease, and do nothing to prevent the main causes of infection which are contact between people and surfaces, and being in a confined space with someone with or carrying the virus.  This is the same for many transmittable diseases, covid, chicken pox, measles, flu for example.  Miasma, or bad air, was thought at one time to transmit diseases such as cholera, black death and bubonic plague, the experts of the day recommended the carrying of posies to sweeten the air and prevent transmission.  But still transmission occurred.  And in the modern context, masks are the equivalent of the posies, they are largely a diversion to the causes of spread and from the statistics daily broadcast are having little effect if any, with more transmission now than there was at the first lockdown when we were told that there was no point in wearing masks!

In among these mixed messages, we are told we should do certain things, such as open windows (on a fixed income, who can afford to warm the air outside?). We are told we can exercise outside, where we are told the risk of infection is miniscule, even none existent.  And yet woe betide anyone who gets in the car for ten minutes to get to the countryside, we are expected to walk round our housing estate if the park is too far away to walk to and should not be out more than an hour.  It takes me nearly half hour to get to my nearest park so could not enjoy the verdant pastures there for long each day.  And we are allowed out to the shop for urgent supplies once per day, so don't forget anything or you will be slapped with a hundred pound fine for forgetting the toilet paper when there is only one sheet left!

I don't deny the virus exists, or that it can have very severe consequences.  But people are dying all the time.  The home is the place where more accidents, both fatal and otherwise occur each year (government statistics).  Following this through, we are more likely to overwhelm the health service at home by staying in than we are with an accident on a short drive to the countryside.  But the excuse used to issue tickets for those slightly out of area in their cars is that the health service could be overwhelmed by accidents.

Then there are other issues from being home.  Many more cases of domestic violence are now occurring.  People are not seeking help for other conditions to covid, the result being cancers are becoming  inoperable and easily treatable medical problems are becoming serious.  People die of covid, it is unpleasant and devastating to their families.  But whenever someone dies, families are devastated, no matter what the cause.  And other diseases which infect people can be equally unpleasant.  But statistics have been manipulated so much now we are led to believe nearly every death that is happening is due to covid.  It isn't.  One percent of the population dies every year - that is 550000 people, over half a million. Covid or not.

Wearing a mask of cloth makes me hyperventilate, the result of a panic attack.  But I have found that I can wear a clear shield with spectacle arms without too much of a problem.  Whether it stops transmission I don't know as it is open at top and bottom, but it satisfies the requirement.  I do have a card to state my exemption, and when I have not worn a mask I have not had a problem.  I do have a sunflower lanyard which seems to have got mixed up in the whole exemption thing, with them being sold on eBay ad exemption indicators which they are not.  But that is the way of the current problem I suppose.  Give people power and it goes to their heads.  Give people responsibility and freedoms and they are abused by a small minority.  And all the time the spread of the virus is increasing if the experts are to be believed. 

Time alone will deliver its verdict

People die from having vending machines fall on them....poor reason.

Ah yes, I look at my surgeon colleagues and think how ill they look and ponder on how brave they are, sacrificing their health and possibly their Iives to deliver healthcare to the sickest people.

Oh wait, no I don't, because wearing a mask isn't a big deal.

Two kids died from wearing masks during exercise at school in China

There are many scientific papers which show a weak correlation between transmission of the virus and restrictions such as masks. In reality the virus is more easily spread through touching surfaces (shopping basket handles, pin pads, petrol pumps, door handles, supermarket touch screens) all of which are being touched by many people on a daily basis. Wearing a mask means you are touching your face far more often.

There are also unknown health effects of wearing the mask especially restricting oxygen, breathing bacteria and plastic particles, causing acne + retaining acidity leading to tooth decay.

The point of this post is like you mention, some of us are suffering great anxiety over the issue. It has been set up as a psychological attack and if you read Sage's documents, their intention was to have the angry mob shun and shame all who don't follow the rules to pressure them into doing so or risk receiving abuse. It's working perfectly

Kids can't socially distance and it would be an absolute nightmare to wear a mask in class as a lot of kids work on facial gesture. I still people look at people not wearing masks with a mixture of 60% worry for the person and 40% fear you're asymptomatic and passing it about everywhere....it's difficult.

I feel scared to go anywhere now because of the mask issue. I have even had close friends question me on a really confrontational way about it. 

Thankfully we get click and collect from  Tesco once a week and my husband gets any other bits in between. 

I don't wear a mask at work (I am a primary teacher) and so far haven't been questioned but I wear the day I do. 

It is horrible what people (including people I know) are saying on social media 

The sunflower lanyard and autism card isn't working where i live. Most people have become increasingly aggressive if they see someone wearing one. I have had my lanyard pulled of my neck three times know the first time the lanyard i was wearing didn't have a breakaway so they pretty much smashed my face into the shopping trolley. Each time i was wearing the lanyard and a mask but it still not okay.   

All of the tactics are the same ones used to break prisoner's wills in maximum security prisons - cover their faces to stop recognition of friends, only small groups allowed, keeping people apart so all conversations can be overheard, locking down and arbitrary rules for exercise and movement, a constant moving of the goalposts to keep them from any stability and draconian penalties for ANY non-compliance.. 

We are one step away from being forced to wear orange jumpsuits.

What's most scary is that we are now in lockdown 3 even though we've distanced, masked, stayed home and been put out of jobs - yet the morons are demanding they lock us down tighter?????

There's an old saying "You can vote your way into communism - but you'll have to shoot your way out!"

Why is it rightly so that us with skin conditions and high levels of anxiety should carry around a label reminding us that we have something wrong with us, to shout about it to the crowd "HEY LOOK AT ME I' HAVE SOMETHING WRONG WITH ME", to feel questioned and under control of tyrants like we are nothing. Why should we have to explain ourselves and be intimidated by bullies everywhere we go?